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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [patch 04/44] posix-cpu-timers: Fixup stale comment
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 23:43:26 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1908202331080.2223@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190820204803.GH2093@lenoir>

On Tue, 20 Aug 2019, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:57:37PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > On Tue, 20 Aug 2019, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 04:31:45PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > > >  /*
> > > > - * Clean out CPU timers still ticking when a thread exited.  The task
> > > > - * pointer is cleared, and the expiry time is replaced with the residual
> > > > - * time for later timer_gettime calls to return.
> > > > + * Clean out CPU timers which are still armed when a thread exits. The
> > > > + * timers are only removed from the list. No other updates are done. The
> > > > + * corresponding posix timers are still accessible, but cannot be rearmed.
> > > > + *
> > > >   * This must be called with the siglock held.
> > > >   */
> > > >  static void cleanup_timers(struct list_head *head)
> > > 
> > > Indeed and I believe we could avoid that step. We remove the sighand at the same
> > > time so those can't be accessed anymore anyway.
> > > 
> > > exit_itimers() takes care of the last call release and could force remove from
> > > the list (although it might be taken care of in your series, haven't checked yet):
> > 
> > No. The posix timer is not necessarily owned by the exiting task or
> > process. It can be owned by a different entity which has permissions,
> > e.g. parent.
> > 
> > So those are not in the posix timer list of the exiting task, which gets
> > cleaned up in exit_itimers(). Those are in the list of the task which armed
> > the timer. The timer is merily queued in the 'active timers' list of the
> > exiting task and posix_cpu_timers_exit()/posix_cpu_timers_exit_group()
> > remove it before the task/signal structs go away.
> 
> Sure, I understand there's two distinct things here: the owner that queues
> timers in owner->sig->posix_timers (cleaned in exit_itimers()) and the target that queues
> in target->[signal->]cputime_expires (cleaned in posix_cpu_timers_exit[_group]().
>
> So I'm wondering why we bother with posix_cpu_timers_exit[_group]() at
> all when exit_itimers() could handle the list deletion from
> target->[signal]->cputime_expires throughout posix_cpu_timer_del() as it
> already does on targets that still have their sighands.

No it can't do that throughout posix_cpu_timer_del() because exit_itimers()
can only look at current->signal->posix_timers which does not contain the
posix timers owned by a different task/process.

We could of course invoke posix_cpu_timers_exit() from exit_itimers() but
does that buy anything?
 
> It would make things more simple to delete the timer off the target from
> the same caller and place and we could remove posix_cpu_timers_exit*().

We can't. The foreign owned cpu timers are not in cur->signal->posix_timers
so how should we invoke posix_cpu_timer_del() on them. Only the owner task
can. The only thing the exiting task can do is to remove the foreign timer
from it's expiry list which has nothing to do with cur->signal->posix_timers.

cur->signal->posix_timers only contains posix timers which are owned by
current not those which are owned by a different task and armed on the
exiting one.

exit_itimers() handles cur->signal->posix_timers, i.e. timers owned by
current.

posix_cpu_timers_exit() handles timers enqueued on current, which are
foreign owned timers because exit_itimers() removed those which were owned
by current already.

posix_cpu_timers_exit_group() handles timers enqueued on current->signal,
which are foreign owned timers because exit_itimers() removed those which
were owned by current already.

> Or is there something I'm awkwardly missing as usual? :-) 

I think so :)

Thanks,

	tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-20 21:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-19 14:31 [patch 00/44] posix-cpu-timers: Cleanup and consolidation Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 01/44] posix-timers: Cleanup forward declarations and includes Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-20 12:20   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-20 13:03     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-20 13:48   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-23  2:12   ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 02/44] alarmtimers: Avoid rtc.h include Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-20 13:49   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-23  2:12   ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 03/44] posix-timer: Use a callback for cancel synchronization Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-20  2:21   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-20 13:08     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-20 13:59   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-23  2:12   ` [tip: timers/core] posix-timers: Use a callback for cancel synchronization on PREEMPT_RT tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 04/44] posix-cpu-timers: Fixup stale comment Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-20 14:26   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-20 17:57     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-20 20:48       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-20 21:43         ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2019-08-20 22:56           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-21 13:31             ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-21 15:51               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-23  2:12   ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 05/44] posix-cpu-timers: Sanitize bogus WARNONS Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-21 11:34   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-23  2:12   ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 06/44] posix-cpu-timers: Remove tsk argument from run_posix_cpu_timers() Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-21 11:36   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-23  2:12   ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 07/44] posix-cpu-timers: Simplify sighand locking in run_posix_cpu_timers() Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-21 12:09   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-21 13:25     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-21 15:42       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2019-08-21 17:13         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 08/44] posix-cpu-timers: Provide task validation functions Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 09/44] posix-cpu-timers: Use common permission check in posix_cpu_clock_get() Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 10/44] posix-cpu-timers: Use common permission check in posix_cpu_timer_create() Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 11/44] posix-cpu-timers: Provide quick sample function for itimer Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 12/44] itimers: Use quick sample function Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 13/44] posix-cpu-timers: Sample directly in timer check Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 14/44] posix-cpu-timers: Rename thread_group_cputimer() and make it static Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 15/44] posix-cpu-timer: Comsolidate thread group sample code Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 19:07   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 16/44] posix-cpu-timers: Use clock ID in posix_cpu_timer_set() Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 17/44] posix-cpu-timers: Use clock ID in posix_cpu_timer_get() Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:31 ` [patch 18/44] posix-cpu-timers: Use clock ID in posix_cpu_timer_rearm() Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 19/44] posix-cpu-timer: Remove pointless return value check Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 20/44] posix-cpu-timers: Simplify sample functions Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 21/44] posix-cpu-timers: Get rid of pointer indirection Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 22/44] posix-cpu-timers: Sample task times once in expiry check Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 23/44] posix-cpu-timers: Move prof/virt_ticks into caller Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 24/44] posix-cpu-timers: Create a container struct Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 25/44] sched: Move struct task_cputime to types.h Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 26/44] posix-cpu-timers: Move expiry cache into struct posix_cputimers Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 27/44] posix-cpu-timers: Provide array based access to expiry cache Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 19:32   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-20 20:22     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 28/44] posix-cpu-timers: Simplify timer queueing Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 29/44] posix-cpu-timers: Simplify set_process_cpu_timer() Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 30/44] posix-cpu-timers: Switch check_*_timers() to array cache Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 31/44] posix-cpu-timers: Remove the odd field rename defines Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 32/44] posix-cpu-timers: Provide array based sample functions Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 33/44] posix-cpu-timers: Make expiry checks array based Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 34/44] posix-cpu-timers: Remove cputime_expires Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 35/44] posix-cpu-timers: Switch thread group sampling to array Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 36/44] posix-cpu-timers: Get rid of zero checks Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 37/44] posix-cpu-timers: Consolidate timer expiry further Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 38/44] posix-cpu-timers: Respect INFINITY for hard RTTIME limit Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 20:06   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-19 20:29     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 39/44] posix-cpu-timers: Get rid of 64bit divisions Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 40/44] posix-cpu-timers: Remove pointless comparisions Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 20:10   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 41/44] posix-cpu-timers: Deduplicate rlimit handling Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 42/44] posix-cpu-timers: Move state tracking to struct posix_cputimers Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 19:13   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-19 20:29     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 43/44] posix-cpu-timers: Utilize timerqueue for storage Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 14:32 ` [patch 44/44] posix-cpu-timers: Expire timers directly Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-19 19:09   ` Ingo Molnar
2019-08-20 13:07   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-20  2:18 ` [patch 00/44] posix-cpu-timers: Cleanup and consolidation Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-20 13:09   ` Thomas Gleixner

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