From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752178Ab1KGIpg (ORCPT ); Mon, 7 Nov 2011 03:45:36 -0500 Received: from mail-bw0-f46.google.com ([209.85.214.46]:53402 "EHLO mail-bw0-f46.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751487Ab1KGIpf (ORCPT ); Mon, 7 Nov 2011 03:45:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:45:22 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Enberg X-X-Sender: penberg@tux.localdomain To: Paolo Bonzini cc: Pekka Enberg , Alexander Graf , "kvm@vger.kernel.org list" , qemu-devel Developers , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List" , Blue Swirl , Avi Kivity , =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Am=E9rico_Wang?= , Ingo Molnar , Linus Torvalds Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM: Add wrapper script around QEMU to test kernels In-Reply-To: <4EB794E1.5060201@redhat.com> Message-ID: References: <1320543320-32728-1-git-send-email-agraf@suse.de> <4EB65C5B.8070709@redhat.com> <4EB66036.4080102@redhat.com> <1320577728.1428.73.camel@jaguar> <4EB67486.1070105@redhat.com> <4EB67D17.7000701@redhat.com> <4EB680D9.2070706@redhat.com> <877C82F4-F07C-44AA-8722-3AF57CFC4597@suse.de> <4EB6DBC6.2010404@redhat.com> <4EB6E798.3060000@redhat.com> <4EB79000.5040308@redhat.com> <4EB794E1.5060201@redhat.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (LFD 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="8323328-2082177677-1320655531=:6486" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323328-2082177677-1320655531=:6486 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On 11/07/2011 09:09 AM, Pekka Enberg wrote: >> We are obviously also using specifications but as you damn well should >> know, specifications don't matter nearly as much as working code. On Mon, 7 Nov 2011, Paolo Bonzini wrote: > Specifications matter much more than working code. Quirks are a fact of life > but should always come second. To quote Linus: And I have seen _lots_ of total crap work that was based on specs. It's _the_ single worst way to write software, because it by definition means that the software was written to match theory, not reality. [ http://kerneltrap.org/node/5725 ] So no, I don't agree with you at all. Pekka --8323328-2082177677-1320655531=:6486-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Pekka Enberg Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM: Add wrapper script around QEMU to test kernels Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:45:22 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: References: <1320543320-32728-1-git-send-email-agraf@suse.de> <4EB65C5B.8070709@redhat.com> <4EB66036.4080102@redhat.com> <1320577728.1428.73.camel@jaguar> <4EB67486.1070105@redhat.com> <4EB67D17.7000701@redhat.com> <4EB680D9.2070706@redhat.com> <877C82F4-F07C-44AA-8722-3AF57CFC4597@suse.de> <4EB6DBC6.2010404@redhat.com> <4EB6E798.3060000@redhat.com> <4EB79000.5040308@redhat.com> <4EB794E1.5060201@redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="8323328-2082177677-1320655531=:6486" Cc: Blue Swirl , "kvm@vger.kernel.org list" , qemu-devel Developers , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List" , Alexander Graf , Pekka Enberg , Avi Kivity , =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Am=E9rico_Wang?= , Ingo Molnar , Linus Torvalds To: Paolo Bonzini Return-path: In-Reply-To: <4EB794E1.5060201@redhat.com> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+gceq-qemu-devel=gmane.org@nongnu.org Sender: qemu-devel-bounces+gceq-qemu-devel=gmane.org@nongnu.org List-Id: kvm.vger.kernel.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323328-2082177677-1320655531=:6486 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On 11/07/2011 09:09 AM, Pekka Enberg wrote: >> We are obviously also using specifications but as you damn well should >> know, specifications don't matter nearly as much as working code. On Mon, 7 Nov 2011, Paolo Bonzini wrote: > Specifications matter much more than working code. Quirks are a fact of life > but should always come second. To quote Linus: And I have seen _lots_ of total crap work that was based on specs. It's _the_ single worst way to write software, because it by definition means that the software was written to match theory, not reality. [ http://kerneltrap.org/node/5725 ] So no, I don't agree with you at all. Pekka --8323328-2082177677-1320655531=:6486-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:51594) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RNKpk-0005bJ-2x for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 03:45:37 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RNKpi-0003Sm-KY for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 03:45:36 -0500 Received: from mail-bw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.214.45]:65493) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RNKpi-0003Sf-Fg for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 03:45:34 -0500 Received: by bkbzu5 with SMTP id zu5so3995028bkb.4 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 00:45:33 -0800 (PST) Sender: Pekka Enberg Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:45:22 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Enberg In-Reply-To: <4EB794E1.5060201@redhat.com> Message-ID: References: <1320543320-32728-1-git-send-email-agraf@suse.de> <4EB65C5B.8070709@redhat.com> <4EB66036.4080102@redhat.com> <1320577728.1428.73.camel@jaguar> <4EB67486.1070105@redhat.com> <4EB67D17.7000701@redhat.com> <4EB680D9.2070706@redhat.com> <877C82F4-F07C-44AA-8722-3AF57CFC4597@suse.de> <4EB6DBC6.2010404@redhat.com> <4EB6E798.3060000@redhat.com> <4EB79000.5040308@redhat.com> <4EB794E1.5060201@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="8323328-2082177677-1320655531=:6486" Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] KVM: Add wrapper script around QEMU to test kernels List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Paolo Bonzini Cc: Blue Swirl , "kvm@vger.kernel.org list" , qemu-devel Developers , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List" , Alexander Graf , Pekka Enberg , Avi Kivity , =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Am=E9rico_Wang?= , Ingo Molnar , Linus Torvalds This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323328-2082177677-1320655531=:6486 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On 11/07/2011 09:09 AM, Pekka Enberg wrote: >> We are obviously also using specifications but as you damn well should >> know, specifications don't matter nearly as much as working code. On Mon, 7 Nov 2011, Paolo Bonzini wrote: > Specifications matter much more than working code. Quirks are a fact of life > but should always come second. To quote Linus: And I have seen _lots_ of total crap work that was based on specs. It's _the_ single worst way to write software, because it by definition means that the software was written to match theory, not reality. [ http://kerneltrap.org/node/5725 ] So no, I don't agree with you at all. Pekka --8323328-2082177677-1320655531=:6486--