From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B591DC65BAF for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:41:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CE720870 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:41:00 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 85CE720870 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=namei.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728520AbeLLXk7 (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:40:59 -0500 Received: from namei.org ([65.99.196.166]:51466 "EHLO namei.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726214AbeLLXk7 (ORCPT ); Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:40:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by namei.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id wBCNeWxU007768; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:40:32 GMT Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 10:40:32 +1100 (AEDT) From: James Morris To: Florian Weimer cc: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Micka=EBl_Sala=FCn?= , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Al Viro , Jonathan Corbet , Kees Cook , Matthew Garrett , Michael Kerrisk , =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Micka=EBl_Sala=FCn?= , Mimi Zohar , =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Philippe_Tr=E9buchet?= , Shuah Khan , Thibaut Sautereau , Vincent Strubel , Yves-Alexis Perez , kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com, linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 0/5] Add support for O_MAYEXEC In-Reply-To: <87lg4upkpv.fsf@oldenburg2.str.redhat.com> Message-ID: References: <20181212081712.32347-1-mic@digikod.net> <87lg4upkpv.fsf@oldenburg2.str.redhat.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (LRH 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 12 Dec 2018, Florian Weimer wrote: > * James Morris: > > > If you're depending on the script interpreter to flag that the user may > > execute code, this seems to be equivalent in security terms to depending > > on the user. e.g. what if the user uses ptrace and clears O_MAYEXEC? > > The argument I've heard is this: Using ptrace (and adding the +x > attribute) are auditable events. I guess you could also preload a modified libc which strips the flag. -- James Morris