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From: James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v1 00/13] MAC and Audit policy using eBPF (KRSI)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 05:27:16 +1100 (AEDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.21.2001090525540.9683@namei.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201912301112.A1A63A4@keescook>

On Mon, 30 Dec 2019, Kees Cook wrote:

> 
> Given the discussion around tracing and stable ABI at the last kernel
> summit, Linus's mandate is mainly around "every day users" and not
> around these system-builder-sensitive cases where everyone has a strong
> expectation to rebuild their policy when the kernel changes. i.e. it's
> not "powertop", which was Linus's example of "and then everyone running
> Fedora breaks".
> 
> So, while I know we've tried in the past to follow the letter of the
> law, it seems Linus really expects this only to be followed when it will
> have "real world" impact on unsuspecting end users.
> 
> Obviously James Morris has the final say here, but as I understand it,
> it is fine to expose these here for the same reasons it's fine to expose
> the (ever changing) tracepoints and BPF hooks.

Agreed. This API should be seen in the same light as tracing / debugging, 
and it should not be exposed by users directly to general purpose 
applications.


-- 
James Morris
<jmorris@namei.org>


  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-01-08 18:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-20 15:41 [PATCH bpf-next v1 00/13] MAC and Audit policy using eBPF (KRSI) KP Singh
2019-12-20 15:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 01/13] bpf: Refactor BPF_EVENT context macros to its own header KP Singh
2019-12-20 20:10   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-20 20:26     ` KP Singh
2019-12-20 15:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 02/13] bpf: lsm: Add a skeleton and config options KP Singh
2020-01-07 21:13   ` James Morris
2019-12-20 15:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 03/13] bpf: lsm: Introduce types for eBPF based LSM KP Singh
2019-12-20 15:41 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 04/13] bpf: lsm: Allow btf_id based attachment for LSM hooks KP Singh
2019-12-23 23:54   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-30 19:22     ` KP Singh
2019-12-20 15:42 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 05/13] tools/libbpf: Add support in libbpf for BPF_PROG_TYPE_LSM KP Singh
2019-12-24  0:07   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-24  0:09     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-01-03 23:59     ` KP Singh
2019-12-20 15:42 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 06/13] bpf: lsm: Init Hooks and create files in securityfs KP Singh
2019-12-24  6:28   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-30 15:37     ` KP Singh
2019-12-30 18:52       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-30 19:20       ` Kees Cook
2020-01-03 23:53         ` KP Singh
2020-01-07 21:22   ` James Morris
2019-12-20 15:42 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 07/13] bpf: lsm: Implement attach, detach and execution KP Singh
2019-12-24  5:48   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-01-07 21:27   ` James Morris
2019-12-20 15:42 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 08/13] bpf: lsm: Show attached program names in hook read handler KP Singh
2020-01-07 21:28   ` James Morris
2019-12-20 15:42 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 09/13] bpf: lsm: Add a helper function bpf_lsm_event_output KP Singh
2019-12-24  6:36   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-30 15:11     ` KP Singh
2019-12-30 18:56       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-20 15:42 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 10/13] bpf: lsm: Handle attachment of the same program KP Singh
2019-12-24  6:38   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-01-08 18:21   ` James Morris
2019-12-20 15:42 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 11/13] tools/libbpf: Add bpf_program__attach_lsm KP Singh
2019-12-24  6:44   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-01-08 18:24   ` James Morris
2019-12-20 15:42 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 12/13] bpf: lsm: Add selftests for BPF_PROG_TYPE_LSM KP Singh
2019-12-24  6:49   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-01-04  0:09     ` KP Singh
2020-01-09 17:59       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-01-08 18:25   ` James Morris
2019-12-20 15:42 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 13/13] bpf: lsm: Add Documentation KP Singh
2019-12-20 17:17 ` [PATCH bpf-next v1 00/13] MAC and Audit policy using eBPF (KRSI) Casey Schaufler
2019-12-20 17:38   ` KP Singh
2019-12-30 19:15     ` Kees Cook
2020-01-08 15:25       ` Stephen Smalley
2020-01-08 18:58         ` James Morris
2020-01-08 19:33           ` Stephen Smalley
2020-01-09 18:11             ` James Morris
2020-01-09 18:23               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-01-09 18:58               ` Stephen Smalley
2020-01-09 19:07                 ` James Morris
2020-01-09 19:43                   ` KP Singh
2020-01-09 19:47                     ` Stephen Smalley
2020-01-10 15:27                       ` KP Singh
2020-01-10 17:48                         ` James Morris
2020-01-10 17:53                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-01-14 16:54                           ` Stephen Smalley
2020-01-14 17:42                             ` Stephen Smalley
2020-01-15  2:48                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-01-15 13:59                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2020-01-15 14:09                                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-01-15 22:23                                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-01-09 19:11               ` KP Singh
2020-01-08 18:27       ` James Morris [this message]
2019-12-20 22:46 ` Mickaël Salaün
2019-12-30 19:30   ` Kees Cook
2019-12-31 12:11     ` Mickaël Salaün
2019-12-22  1:27 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-12-30 14:58   ` KP Singh
2019-12-30 19:14     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-24  6:51 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-30 15:04   ` KP Singh
2019-12-30 18:58     ` Andrii Nakryiko

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