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From: "Michel Dänzer" <michel-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
To: "Kazlauskas,
	Nicholas" <nicholas.kazlauskas-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>,
	Pekka Paalanen
	<ppaalanen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: nicolai.haehnle-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org,
	Marek.Olsak-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org,
	dri-devel-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org,
	manasi.d.navare-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	amd-gfx-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org,
	Alexander.Deucher-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org,
	Christian.Koenig-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/3] drm: Add variable refresh property to DRM CRTC
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2018 18:56:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b1c33336-6441-9dfb-a2c8-aeae05540951@daenzer.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fdc195dd-9650-8194-3a16-393f61bb2eee-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>

On 2018-10-05 6:21 p.m., Kazlauskas, Nicholas wrote:
> On 10/05/2018 04:10 AM, Pekka Paalanen wrote:
>>
>> 2. User preference
>>     A toggle on the desktop environment's display settings
>>     application to allow or disallow VRR. After all, video mode
>>     configuration is here too, and ideally applications should not
>>     mess with the video mode directly.
>
> [...]
>
> User preference can be handled as part of the DDX driver with something
> like an X Option. Dropping the variable_refresh_enabled property in
> favor of this works. This covers 2.

The Xorg driver can expose a RandR output property, even if the kernel
doesn't expose a corresponding connector property. See e.g. the TearFree
output property in xf86-video-amdgpu.


>> I also believe that it would be useful to expose vmin/vmax to userspace
>> as properties, so that display servers and apps can plan ahead on when
>> they will render. I suppose that can be left for later when someone
>> starts working on userspace taking advantage of it, so that the proper
>> userspace requirement for new UABI is fulfilled.
> 
> Knowing the vmin/vmax could potentially be useful for testing but most
> applications shouldn't be trying to predict or adjust rendering based on
> these.

FWIW, recent research indicates that this is necessary for perfectly
smooth animation without micro-stuttering, even with VRR.


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Libre software enthusiast             |             Mesa and X developer
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-10-05 16:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-24 18:15 [PATCH v2 0/3] A DRM API for adaptive sync and variable refresh rate support Nicholas Kazlauskas
2018-09-24 18:15 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] drm: Add variable refresh property to DRM CRTC Nicholas Kazlauskas
2018-09-24 18:38   ` Ville Syrjälä
2018-09-24 19:06     ` Kazlauskas, Nicholas
     [not found]       ` <4aa1583c-2be0-8cec-2857-6c3e489965b4-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-09-24 20:26         ` Ville Syrjälä
     [not found]           ` <20180924202655.GA9144-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2018-09-25 13:28             ` Michel Dänzer
     [not found]               ` <2158aa72-9156-5592-822a-c815f373fd53-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-09-25 14:04                 ` Ville Syrjälä
     [not found]                   ` <20180925140433.GH9144-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2018-09-25 14:35                     ` Michel Dänzer
2018-09-25 15:28                       ` Ville Syrjälä
     [not found]                         ` <20180925152817.GK9144-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2018-10-01  7:10                           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-25 13:51             ` Kazlauskas, Nicholas
2018-10-05  8:10               ` Pekka Paalanen
2018-10-05 16:21                 ` Kazlauskas, Nicholas
     [not found]                   ` <fdc195dd-9650-8194-3a16-393f61bb2eee-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-10-05 16:56                     ` Michel Dänzer [this message]
2018-10-05 17:48                       ` Kazlauskas, Nicholas
2018-10-08 10:57                         ` Michel Dänzer
2018-10-10  7:14                     ` Pekka Paalanen
2018-10-10 13:35                       ` Kazlauskas, Nicholas
     [not found]                         ` <3bb5e05d-f7e6-8e44-cfae-202191d64245-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-10-12  7:23                           ` Pekka Paalanen
2018-10-12  7:35                             ` Koenig, Christian
     [not found]                               ` <894d12d3-aa0b-c0f6-6347-7d13e58e651a-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-10-12  9:21                                 ` Pekka Paalanen
2018-10-12 11:20                                   ` Koenig, Christian
2018-10-12 12:58                                     ` Kazlauskas, Nicholas
2018-10-15 13:57                                       ` Pekka Paalanen
2018-10-15 16:02                                         ` Kazlauskas, Nicholas
     [not found]                                           ` <52103366-510d-15a6-61d2-26196a4f0e57-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-10-16  7:36                                             ` Pekka Paalanen
     [not found] ` <20180924181537.12092-1-nicholas.kazlauskas-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-09-24 18:15   ` [PATCH v2 1/3] drm: Add variable refresh rate properties to connector Nicholas Kazlauskas
2018-09-24 18:32     ` Ville Syrjälä
2018-10-01  7:05       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-09-24 18:15   ` [PATCH v2 3/3] drm/amd/display: Set FreeSync state using DRM VRR properties Nicholas Kazlauskas
2018-10-01  7:15 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] A DRM API for adaptive sync and variable refresh rate support Daniel Vetter
2018-10-02 14:49   ` Harry Wentland
2018-10-03  8:41     ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]       ` <20181003084120.GP11082-dv86pmgwkMBes7Z6vYuT8azUEOm+Xw19@public.gmane.org>
2018-10-03 18:35         ` Manasi Navare
2018-10-11 19:37           ` Harry Wentland
2018-10-11 19:41         ` Harry Wentland
2018-10-03  8:25   ` Mike Lothian
     [not found]     ` <CAHbf0-HhjG2xc1sAjHBR=Ep11LzumO6tdyzBcKSZ8h82H28Zbg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-10-11 19:44       ` Harry Wentland
2018-10-12  8:26         ` Michel Dänzer
     [not found]           ` <ac5b5865-6bb0-08e8-d83c-26893e75b11e-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-10-12  8:31             ` Koenig, Christian
     [not found]               ` <84c4a243-ca2c-49a7-9e2c-22666292aea9-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-10-25 17:57                 ` Wentland, Harry
     [not found]                   ` <1c3d19a7-3afa-6de5-59e0-37a19d73848b-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-10-26  9:33                     ` Michel Dänzer

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