From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1MnLPt-0005b8-U7 for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:57:05 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MnLPs-0005b2-DT for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:57:04 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MnLPn-0005an-Ux for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:57:03 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41858 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MnLPn-0005ak-QV for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:56:59 -0400 Received: from mail-yw0-f190.google.com ([209.85.211.190]:62012) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MnLPn-0006Mm-6q for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:56:59 -0400 Received: by ywh28 with SMTP id 28so5301449ywh.15 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:56:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jsGyAZSmM7ixNH7hz5WCYWXSMFJfx/zyuqlERCJUEBY=; b=GfGlhBg8+JFl2Kb6Ivl4bJ3FX9WdebL31dvG7bK09QIIGsqj5ZkbzK5yhSIDHofqQA +4lfbRVuoYiuOO7ZY9uw1II9CqBJ6KNU1CZ8JTMroYF9qh+cvhF/l7H0GGsgngMs7W+T 9Gc4GxpSdgtEUXli/9bjzV9LYCVRFFiRH2rKk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=exGGRrFkwHd/x2kkUrAVhNBO7JwwqvfkO42VhLBDybJPJCL9p0nT6ZF1UK+imMRwR7 0OGF/rH7YPBJtbwfHcMdVuwvZgC3pR4c24Dkr4czF50D4rPyHIyYCwSPlSC5nNGvSBOz 4hZge1/m54PIHuijMFUha8xrf3bla60IHDdfk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.87.1 with SMTP id p1mr11163240ybl.116.1252972616042; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:56:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090914234355.GS13423@riva.ucam.org> References: <20090911131709.GC7959@thorin> <20090912125452.GB11249@thorin> <20090914153226.GA25403@thorin> <1252955497.4336.5.camel@mj> <20090914234355.GS13423@riva.ucam.org> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:26:55 +0930 Message-ID: From: Brendan Trotter To: The development of GRUB 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Subject: Re: About firmware facilities X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:57:05 -0000 Hi, On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Colin Watson wrote: > I don't have relevant experience regarding multiboot in general, but ... > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 08:53:12AM +0930, Brendan Trotter wrote: >> The same would apply to internationalization - GRUB should tell the OS >> which language/locale it used, so that the OS can automatically use >> the same language as a default (especially for OS installation CDs). > > Speaking as an OS installer developer, I'd actively prefer GRUB not to > try to do this via specialised methods like multiboot. I don't want to > have to maintain language lists and what-have-you in yet another place, > cope with all the usual slight variations (e.g. things like pt_BR, or > God-help-us something like the hopelessly inadequate language list in > the USB keyboard specification), and cope with the fact that there are > still more boot loaders out there than just GRUB and so some other > mechanism needs to be maintained anyway. An OS could choose to use the information provided by GRUB, or choose to ignore the information provided by GRUB. Assuming GRUB implements something that isn't hopelessly inadequate, I'd prefer to attempt to use the information provided by GRUB (and then have a fall-back). However, I may be a little unusual, in that I'm willing to do a lot of extra work to avoid a little unnecessary end-user configuration. With this in mind, as an OS installer developer, what form of language identifier would you consider the 'least hopelessly inadequate"? What if GRUB used the exact same language identifiers that (for e.g.) Ubuntu already uses? Cheers, Brendan