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From: Jeff Hostetler <git@jeffhostetler.com>
To: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Cc: "Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Chris Torek" <chris.torek@gmail.com>,
	"Jeff Hostetler" <jeffhost@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 11/14] unix-socket: add options to unix_stream_listen()
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 16:31:23 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bca58290-3b23-d08e-e2d5-05ce13c5b842@jeffhostetler.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YCQB4SpYhYA/cKAa@coredump.intra.peff.net>



On 2/10/21 10:55 AM, Jeff King wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 12:39:22PM -0500, Jeff Hostetler wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, in my version two processes could still create uniquely named
>> sockets and then do the rename trick.  But they capture the inode
>> number of the socket before they do that.  They periodically lstat
>> the socket to see if the inode number has changed and if so, assume
>> it has been stolen from them.  (A bit of a hack, I admit.)
> 
> OK, that makes more sense. I saw the mention of the inode stuff in a
> comment, but I didn't see it in the code (I guess if it's a periodic
> check it's not in that initial socket creation function).
> 

Yeah, there's a very slow poll(2) loop in the listen/accept thread
that watches for that and new connections (and quit messages).

>> And I was assuming that 2 servers starting at about the same time
>> are effectively equivalent -- it doesn't matter which one dies, since
>> they both should have the same amount of cached state.  Unlike the
>> case where a long-running server (with lots of state) is replaced by
>> a newcomer.
> 
> Yeah, I agree with that notion in general. I do think it would be easier
> to reason about if the creation were truly race-proof (probably with a
> dot-lock; see below), rather than the later "check if we got replaced"
> thing.  OTOH, that "check" strategy covers a variety of cases (including
> that somebody tried to ping us, decided we weren't alive due to a
> timeout or some other system reason, and then replaced our socket).
> 
> Another strategy there could be having the daemon just decide to quit if
> nobody contacts it for N time units. It is, after all, a cache. Even if
> nobody replaces the socket, it probably makes sense to eventually decide
> that the memory we're holding isn't going to good use.

I have the poll(2) loop set to recheck the inode for theft every 60
seconds (randomly chosen).

Assuming the socket isn't stolen, I want to leave any thoughts of
an auto-shutdown to the application layer above it.  My next patch
series will use this ipc mechanism to build a FSMonitor daemon that
will watch the filesystem for changes and then be able to quickly
respond to a `git status`, so it is important that it be allowed to
run without any clients for a while (such a during a build).  Yes,
memory concerns are important, so I do want it to auto-shutdown if
the socket is stolen (or the workdir is deleted).

> 
>> I am wondering if we can use the .LOCK file magic to our advantage
>> here (in sort of an off-label use).  If we have the server create a
>> lockfile "<path>.LOCK" and if successful leave it open/locked for the
>> life of the server (rather than immediately renaming it onto <path>)
>> and let the normal shutdown code rollback/delete the lockfile in the
>> cleanup/atexit.
>>
>> If the server successfully creates the lockfile, then unlink+create
>> the socket at <path>.
> 
> I don't even think this is off-label. Though the normal use is for the
> .lock file to get renamed into place as the official file, there are a
> few other places where we use it solely for mutual exclusion. You just
> always end with rollback_lock_file(), and never "commit" it.
> 
> So something like:
> 
>    1. Optimistically see if socket "foo" is present and accepting
>       connections.
> 
>    2. If not, then take "foo.lock". If somebody else is holding it, loop
>       with a timeout waiting for them to come alive.
> 
>    3. Assuming we got the lock, then either unlink+create the socket as
>       "foo", or rename-into-place. I don't think it matters that much
>       which.
> 
>    4. Rollback "foo.lock", unlinking it.
> 
> Then one process wins the lock and creates the socket, while any
> simultaneous creators spin in step 2, and eventually connect to the
> winner.
> 
>> That would give us the unique/exclusive creation (on the lock) that
>> we need.  Then wrap that with all the edge case cleanup code to
>> create/delete/manage the peer socket.  Basically if the lock exists,
>> there should be a live server listening to the socket (unless there
>> was a crash...).
> 
> I think you'd want to delete the lock as soon as you're done with the
> setup. That reduces the chances that a dead server (e.g., killed by a
> power outage without the chance to clean up after itself) leaves a stale
> lock sitting around.

Thanks this helps.  I've got a version now that is a slight variation on
what you have here that seems to work nicely and has the short-lived
lock file.  I'll post this shortly.

Jeff


  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-10 21:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 178+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-12 15:31 [PATCH 00/10] [RFC] Simple IPC Mechanism Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-01-12 15:31 ` [PATCH 01/10] pkt-line: use stack rather than static buffer in packet_write_gently() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-01-13 13:29   ` Jeff King
2021-01-25 19:34     ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-01-12 15:31 ` [PATCH 02/10] pkt-line: (optionally) libify the packet readers Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-01-12 15:31 ` [PATCH 03/10] pkt-line: optionally skip the flush packet in write_packetized_from_buf() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-01-12 15:31 ` [PATCH 04/10] pkt-line: accept additional options in read_packetized_to_strbuf() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-01-12 15:31 ` [PATCH 05/10] simple-ipc: design documentation for new IPC mechanism Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-01-12 16:40   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-01-12 15:31 ` [PATCH 06/10] simple-ipc: add win32 implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-01-12 15:31 ` [PATCH 07/10] unix-socket: create gentle version of unix_stream_listen() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-01-13 14:06   ` Jeff King
2021-01-14  1:19     ` Chris Torek
2021-01-12 15:31 ` [PATCH 08/10] unix-socket: add no-chdir option to unix_stream_listen_gently() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-01-12 15:31 ` [PATCH 09/10] simple-ipc: add t/helper/test-simple-ipc and t0052 Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-01-12 15:31 ` [PATCH 10/10] simple-ipc: add Unix domain socket implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-01-12 16:50 ` [PATCH 00/10] [RFC] Simple IPC Mechanism Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-01-12 18:25   ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-01-12 20:01 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-01-12 23:25   ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-01-13  0:13     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-01-13  0:32       ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-01-13 13:46     ` Jeff King
2021-01-13 15:48       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-01 19:45 ` [PATCH v2 00/14] " Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 01/14] ci/install-depends: attempt to fix "brew cask" stuff Junio C Hamano via GitGitGadget
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 02/14] pkt-line: promote static buffer in packet_write_gently() to callers Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-02  9:41     ` Jeff King
2021-02-02 20:33       ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-02-02 22:54       ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-02-03  4:52         ` Jeff King
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 03/14] pkt-line: add write_packetized_from_buf2() that takes scratch buffer Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-02  9:44     ` Jeff King
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 04/14] pkt-line: optionally skip the flush packet in write_packetized_from_buf() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-02-02  9:48     ` Jeff King
2021-02-02 22:56       ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-02-05 18:30       ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 05/14] pkt-line: (optionally) libify the packet readers Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 06/14] pkt-line: accept additional options in read_packetized_to_strbuf() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-02-11  1:52     ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 07/14] simple-ipc: design documentation for new IPC mechanism Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 08/14] simple-ipc: add win32 implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 09/14] simple-ipc: add t/helper/test-simple-ipc and t0052 Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-02 21:35     ` SZEDER Gábor
2021-02-03  4:36       ` Jeff King
2021-02-09 15:45       ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-02-05 19:38     ` SZEDER Gábor
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 10/14] unix-socket: elimiate static unix_stream_socket() helper function Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-02  9:54     ` Jeff King
2021-02-02  9:58     ` Jeff King
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 11/14] unix-socket: add options to unix_stream_listen() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-02 10:14     ` Jeff King
2021-02-05 23:28       ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-02-09 16:32         ` Jeff King
2021-02-09 17:39           ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-02-10 15:55             ` Jeff King
2021-02-10 21:31               ` Jeff Hostetler [this message]
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 12/14] unix-socket: add no-chdir option " Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-02 10:26     ` Jeff King
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 13/14] unix-socket: do not call die in unix_stream_connect() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-01 19:45   ` [PATCH v2 14/14] simple-ipc: add Unix domain socket implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-01 22:20   ` [PATCH v2 00/14] Simple IPC Mechanism Junio C Hamano
2021-02-01 23:26     ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-02-02 23:07       ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-02-04 19:08         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-05 13:19           ` candidate branches for `maint`, was " Johannes Schindelin
2021-02-05 19:55             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-13  0:09   ` [PATCH v3 00/12] " Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 01/12] pkt-line: eliminate the need for static buffer in packet_write_gently() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 02/12] pkt-line: do not issue flush packets in write_packetized_*() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 03/12] pkt-line: (optionally) libify the packet readers Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 04/12] pkt-line: add options argument to read_packetized_to_strbuf() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 05/12] simple-ipc: design documentation for new IPC mechanism Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 06/12] simple-ipc: add win32 implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 07/12] unix-socket: elimiate static unix_stream_socket() helper function Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 08/12] unix-socket: add backlog size option to unix_stream_listen() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 09/12] unix-socket: disallow chdir() when creating unix domain sockets Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 10/12] unix-socket: create `unix_stream_server__listen_with_lock()` Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 11/12] simple-ipc: add Unix domain socket implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  0:09     ` [PATCH v3 12/12] t0052: add simple-ipc tests and t/helper/test-simple-ipc tool Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-13  9:30       ` SZEDER Gábor
2021-02-16 15:53         ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-02-17 21:48     ` [PATCH v4 00/12] Simple IPC Mechanism Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 01/12] pkt-line: eliminate the need for static buffer in packet_write_gently() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-26  7:21         ` Jeff King
2021-02-26 19:52           ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-02-26 20:43             ` Jeff King
2021-03-03 19:38             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-04 13:29               ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-03-04 20:26                 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 02/12] pkt-line: do not issue flush packets in write_packetized_*() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 03/12] pkt-line: (optionally) libify the packet readers Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-03-03 19:53         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-04 14:17           ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-03-04 14:40             ` Jeff King
2021-03-04 20:28               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 04/12] pkt-line: add options argument to read_packetized_to_strbuf() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 05/12] simple-ipc: design documentation for new IPC mechanism Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-03 20:19         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 06/12] simple-ipc: add win32 implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 07/12] unix-socket: elimiate static unix_stream_socket() helper function Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-26  7:25         ` Jeff King
2021-03-03 20:41         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 08/12] unix-socket: add backlog size option to unix_stream_listen() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-26  7:30         ` Jeff King
2021-03-03 20:54           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 09/12] unix-socket: disallow chdir() when creating unix domain sockets Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-03 22:53         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-04 14:56           ` Jeff King
2021-03-04 20:34             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-04 23:34               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-05  9:02                 ` Jeff King
2021-03-05  9:25                   ` Jeff King
2021-03-05 11:59                     ` Chris Torek
2021-03-05 17:33                       ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-03-05 17:53                         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-05 21:30               ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-03-05 21:52                 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 10/12] unix-socket: create `unix_stream_server__listen_with_lock()` Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-26  7:56         ` Jeff King
2021-03-02 23:50           ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-03-04 15:13             ` Jeff King
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 11/12] simple-ipc: add Unix domain socket implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-02-17 21:48       ` [PATCH v4 12/12] t0052: add simple-ipc tests and t/helper/test-simple-ipc tool Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-02  9:44         ` Jeff King
2021-03-03 15:25           ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-02-25 19:39       ` [PATCH v4 00/12] Simple IPC Mechanism Junio C Hamano
2021-02-26  7:59         ` Jeff King
2021-02-26 20:18           ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-02-26 20:50             ` Jeff King
2021-03-03 19:29               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-09 15:02       ` [PATCH v5 " Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 01/12] pkt-line: eliminate the need for static buffer in packet_write_gently() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 23:48           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-11 19:29             ` Jeff King
2021-03-11 20:32               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-11 20:53                 ` Jeff King
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 02/12] pkt-line: do not issue flush packets in write_packetized_*() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 03/12] pkt-line: add PACKET_READ_GENTLE_ON_READ_ERROR option Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 04/12] pkt-line: add options argument to read_packetized_to_strbuf() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 05/12] simple-ipc: design documentation for new IPC mechanism Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 06/12] simple-ipc: add win32 implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 07/12] unix-socket: eliminate static unix_stream_socket() helper function Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 08/12] unix-socket: add backlog size option to unix_stream_listen() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 09/12] unix-socket: disallow chdir() when creating unix domain sockets Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 10/12] unix-stream-server: create unix domain socket under lock Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10  0:18           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 11/12] simple-ipc: add Unix domain socket implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10  0:08           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-15 19:56             ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-03-09 15:02         ` [PATCH v5 12/12] t0052: add simple-ipc tests and t/helper/test-simple-ipc tool Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-09 23:28         ` [PATCH v5 00/12] Simple IPC Mechanism Junio C Hamano
2021-03-15 21:08         ` [PATCH v6 " Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 01/12] pkt-line: eliminate the need for static buffer in packet_write_gently() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 02/12] pkt-line: do not issue flush packets in write_packetized_*() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 03/12] pkt-line: add PACKET_READ_GENTLE_ON_READ_ERROR option Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 04/12] pkt-line: add options argument to read_packetized_to_strbuf() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 05/12] simple-ipc: design documentation for new IPC mechanism Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 06/12] simple-ipc: add win32 implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 07/12] unix-socket: eliminate static unix_stream_socket() helper function Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 08/12] unix-socket: add backlog size option to unix_stream_listen() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 09/12] unix-socket: disallow chdir() when creating unix domain sockets Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 10/12] unix-stream-server: create unix domain socket under lock Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 11/12] simple-ipc: add Unix domain socket implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-15 21:08           ` [PATCH v6 12/12] t0052: add simple-ipc tests and t/helper/test-simple-ipc tool Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29           ` [PATCH v7 00/12] Simple IPC Mechanism Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 01/12] pkt-line: eliminate the need for static buffer in packet_write_gently() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 02/12] pkt-line: do not issue flush packets in write_packetized_*() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 03/12] pkt-line: add PACKET_READ_GENTLE_ON_READ_ERROR option Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 04/12] pkt-line: add options argument to read_packetized_to_strbuf() Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 05/12] simple-ipc: design documentation for new IPC mechanism Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 06/12] simple-ipc: add win32 implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 07/12] unix-socket: eliminate static unix_stream_socket() helper function Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 08/12] unix-socket: add backlog size option to unix_stream_listen() Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 09/12] unix-socket: disallow chdir() when creating unix domain sockets Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 10/12] unix-stream-server: create unix domain socket under lock Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 11/12] simple-ipc: add Unix domain socket implementation Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget
2021-03-22 10:29             ` [PATCH v7 12/12] t0052: add simple-ipc tests and t/helper/test-simple-ipc tool Jeff Hostetler via GitGitGadget

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