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https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82162
Priority: medium
Bug ID: 82162
Assignee: dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org
Summary: Syslog flooded by [drm:radeon_gem_object_create]
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Severity: major
Classification: Unclassified
OS: Linux (All)
Reporter: commendsarnex@gmail.com
Hardware: x86-64 (AMD64)
Status: NEW
Version: git
Component: Drivers/Gallium/radeonsi
Product: Mesa
Hello. I am using the obiaf PPA which is mesa 10.3 git compiled with LLVM 3.5.
My syslog and kern.log spam the error messages below. They filled up my entire
hard drive with this error, and the spam occurs constantly. It appears to speed
up and only fills the hard drive when in 3D mode. I am using a Radeon HD 7950.
kernel: [41138.121106] [drm:radeon_gem_object_create] *ERROR* Failed to
allocate GEM object (0, 6, 4096, -22)
kernel: [41138.121121] [TTM] Illegal buffer object size
kernel: [41138.121123] [TTM] Illegal buffer object size
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Syslog flooded by [drm:radeon_gem_object_create] errors
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Linux (All)
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NEW
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git
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Hello. I am using the obiaf PPA which is mesa 10.3 git compiled with LLVM 3.5.
My syslog and kern.log spam the error messages below. They filled up my entire
hard drive with this error, and the spam occurs constantly. It appears to speed
up and only fills the hard drive when in 3D mode. I am using a Radeon HD 7950.
kernel: [41138.121106] [drm:radeon_gem_object_create] *ERROR* Failed to
allocate GEM object (0, 6, 4096, -22)
kernel: [41138.121121] [TTM] Illegal buffer object size
kernel: [41138.121123] [TTM] Illegal buffer object size
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Subject: [Bug 82162] Syslog flooded by [drm:radeon_gem_object_create] errors
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Subject: [Bug 82162] Syslog flooded by [drm:radeon_gem_object_create] errors
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--- Comment #1 from sarnex ---
Just a quick update, the spam does not begin until I'm in 3D mode. Once I'm in
3D mode, the spam is constantly and very quick. Once I quit the 3D application,
it slows down but is still there. The only way to stop this is to restart X or
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Comment # 1
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Just a quick update, the spam does not begin until I'm in 3D mode. Once I'm in
3D mode, the spam is constantly and very quick. Once I quit the 3D application,
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Subject: [Bug 82162] Syslog flooded by [drm:radeon_gem_object_create] errors
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Ignore the last comment, spam is constant.
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Subject: [Bug 82162] Syslog flooded by [drm:radeon_gem_object_create] errors
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--- Comment #3 from Michel D=C3=A4nzer ---
Looks like the Mesa radeonsi driver tries to allocate buffer objects of zero
bytes size, which isn't allowed.
Since nobody else has reported this, I wonder if your driver binaries got
corrupted somehow. Does uninstalling the PPA and installing it again help?
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--- Comment #4 from sarnex ---
(In reply to comment #3)
> Looks like the Mesa radeonsi driver tries to allocate buffer objects of zero
> bytes size, which isn't allowed.
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> Since nobody else has reported this, I wonder if your driver binaries got
> corrupted somehow. Does uninstalling the PPA and installing it again help?
Hi Michael, thanks for your response. Since PPA-Purge doesn't work for me with
this PPA, I decided to reinstall the OS. All I have done since the stock Mint
17 install is update the packages and install the oibaf PPA. When running
dmesg, I see the same errors as before.
[ 67.914111] [TTM] Illegal buffer object size
[ 67.914113] [TTM] Illegal buffer object size
[ 67.914115] [drm:radeon_gem_object_create] *ERROR* Failed to allocate GEM
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Comment # 4
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(In reply to comment #3)
> Looks like the Mesa radeonsi driver tries to allocate buffer objects of zero
> bytes size, which isn't allowed.
>
> Since nobody else has reported this, I wonder if your driver binaries got
> corrupted somehow. Does uninstalling the PPA and installing it again help?
Hi Michael, thanks for your response. Since PPA-Purge doesn't work for me with
this PPA, I decided to reinstall the OS. All I have done since the stock Mint
17 install is update the packages and install the oibaf PPA. When running
dmesg, I see the same errors as before.
[ 67.914111] [TTM] Illegal buffer object size
[ 67.914113] [TTM] Illegal buffer object size
[ 67.914115] [drm:radeon_gem_object_create] *ERROR* Failed to allocate GEM
object (0, 6, 4096, -22)
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--- Comment #5 from mmstickman@gmail.com ---
I've been having the same problem on Arch Linux for a while now with my Radeon
HD 7950 too. My Kabini laptop, which is also radeonsi, isn't affected. Dmesg
spams the following messages repeatedly:
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Comment # 5
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I've been having the same problem on Arch Linux for a while now with my Radeon
HD 7950 too. My Kabini laptop, which is also radeonsi, isn't affected. Dmesg
spams the following messages repeatedly:
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--- Comment #6 from sarnex ---
I tried running a 3D game using the terminal to monitor stdout, and this was
constantly spammed as well. Not sure if it gives any additional information.
radeon: Failed to allocate a buffer:
radeon: size : 0 bytes
radeon: alignment : 4096 bytes
radeon: domains : 4
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Comment # 6
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I tried running a 3D game using the terminal to monitor stdout, and this was
constantly spammed as well. Not sure if it gives any additional information.
radeon: Failed to allocate a buffer:
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--- Comment #8 from sarnex ---
(In reply to comment #7)
> (In reply to comment #6)
> > I tried running a 3D game using the terminal to monitor stdout, and this was
> > constantly spammed as well. Not sure if it gives any additional information.
> >
> > radeon: Failed to allocate a buffer:
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> > radeon: domains : 4
> > radeon: flags : 4
>
> Yeah, pretty much the same message from userspace.
>
> Looks like a bug in the userspace driver somewhere. Simplest thing to find
> it would be to attach a debugger and get a backtrace when the message is
> printed.
Hi, thanks for the response. I don't really know what I'm doing with GDB so
I'll explain what I did to get this output. I installed all of the dbg mesa
packages from the PPA. Then, I ran the command "LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose gdb
glxgears", and when error printed(immedaitely), I pressed Ctrl+C and then typed
bt full. If there's another way to do this please let me know.
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Comment # 8
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(In reply to comment #7)
> (In reply to comment #6)
> > I tried running a 3D game using the terminal to monitor stdout, and this was
> > constantly spammed as well. Not sure if it gives any additional information.
> >
> > radeon: Failed to allocate a buffer:
> > radeon: size : 0 bytes
> > radeon: alignment : 4096 bytes
> > radeon: domains : 4
> > radeon: flags : 4
>
> Yeah, pretty much the same message from userspace.
>
> Looks like a bug in the userspace driver somewhere. Simplest thing to find
> it would be to attach a debugger and get a backtrace when the message is
> printed.
Hi, thanks for the response. I don't really know what I'm doing with GDB so
I'll explain what I did to get this output. I installed all of the dbg mesa
packages from the PPA. Then, I ran the command "LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose gdb
glxgears", and when error printed(immedaitely), I pressed Ctrl+C and then typed
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--- Comment #9 from Michel D=C3=A4nzer ---
You need to set a breakpoint in the function printing the messages before
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--- Comment #10 from sarnex ---
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> You need to set a breakpoint in the function printing the messages before
> running glxgears. Something like
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> You need to set a breakpoint in the function printing the messages before
> running glxgears. Something like
>
> b radeon_bomgr_create_bo if size == 0
>
> should do the trick. Then get the backtrace when the breakpoint triggers.
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--- Comment #12 from sarnex ---
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> r600g/radeon: Don't try to allocate CMASK BO of size 0
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> This patch should at least work around the problem, but I'm not sure it's
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> r600g/radeon: Don't try to allocate CMASK BO of size 0
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Sorry, it appears the issue has not been fixed. The message "radeon: Failed to
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> > to allocate a buffer" no longer prints, but the original
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> > Sorry, it appears the issue has not been fixed. The message "radeon: Failed
> > to allocate a buffer" no longer prints, but the original
> > radeon_gem_object_create message still spams dmesg and kern.log.
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Any chance of seeing this in the git?
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--- Comment #17 from Christian K=C3=B6nig ---
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> Any chance of seeing this in the git?
Yeah, but we might want to investigate further.
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--- Comment #18 from sarnex ---
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> (In reply to comment #16)
> > Any chance of seeing this in the git?
>
> Yeah, but we might want to investigate further.
>
> Somehow the size for the CMASK buffer ends up beeing zero. It's good to
> catch that case, but we might want to figure out why it happened in the
> first place.
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Comment # 18
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from sarnex
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> (In reply to comment #16)
> > Any chance of seeing this in the git?
>
> Yeah, but we might want to investigate further.
>
> Somehow the size for the CMASK buffer ends up beeing zero. It's good to
> catch that case, but we might want to figure out why it happened in the
> first place.
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Subject: [Bug 82162] Syslog flooded by [drm:radeon_gem_object_create] errors
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--- Comment #19 from Marek Ol=C5=A1=C3=A1k ---
Could you please set a breakpoint in si_texture_get_cmask_info and print:
rscreen->tiling_info AND rscreen->info
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pipe_interleave_bytes AND num_pipes
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Subject: [Bug 82162] Syslog flooded by [drm:radeon_gem_object_create] errors
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--- Comment #20 from sarnex ---
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> Could you please set a breakpoint in si_texture_get_cmask_info and print:
>
> rscreen->tiling_info AND rscreen->info
>
> OR
>
> pipe_interleave_bytes AND num_pipes
>
> Thanks.
Hi Marek,
As I said earlier I don't know what I'm doing with GDB.I set the breakpoint
with "b si_texture_get_cmask_info", please let me know if that is wrong.
Here is the output from all of those:
(gdb) p rscreen->tiling_info
value has been optimized out
(gdb) p rscreen->info
value has been optimized out
(gdb) p pipe_interleave_bytes
$1 = 256
(gdb) p num_pipes
$2 = 12
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Comment # 20
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from sarnex
(In reply to comment #19)
> Could you please set a breakpoint in si_texture_get_cmask_info and print:
>
> rscreen->tiling_info AND rscreen->info
>
> OR
>
> pipe_interleave_bytes AND num_pipes
>
> Thanks.
Hi Marek,
As I said earlier I don't know what I'm doing with GDB.I set the breakpoint
with "b si_texture_get_cmask_info", please let me know if that is wrong.
Here is the output from all of those:
(gdb) p rscreen->tiling_info
value has been optimized out
(gdb) p rscreen->info
value has been optimized out
(gdb) p pipe_interleave_bytes
$1 = 256
(gdb) p num_pipes
$2 = 12
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Subject: [Bug 82162] Syslog flooded by [drm:radeon_gem_object_create] errors
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--- Comment #21 from Marek Ol=C5=A1=C3=A1k ---
Thanks. The real problem is that num_pipes is 12. That's good to know. I gu=
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