From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Authentication-Results: lists.ozlabs.org; spf=pass (sender SPF authorized) smtp.mailfrom=linux.ibm.com (client-ip=148.163.156.1; helo=mx0a-001b2d01.pphosted.com; envelope-from=jrey@linux.ibm.com; receiver=) Authentication-Results: lists.ozlabs.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=linux.ibm.com Received: from mx0a-001b2d01.pphosted.com (mx0a-001b2d01.pphosted.com [148.163.156.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49207d5Y6yzDqvj for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 08:11:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0098410.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0a-001b2d01.pphosted.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 03EM4Kvc026653; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 18:11:20 -0400 Received: from ppma05wdc.us.ibm.com (1b.90.2fa9.ip4.static.sl-reverse.com [169.47.144.27]) by mx0a-001b2d01.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 30dnn30413-2 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 14 Apr 2020 18:11:20 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (ppma05wdc.us.ibm.com [127.0.0.1]) by ppma05wdc.us.ibm.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id 03EM1bq1013734; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:03:44 GMT Received: from b03cxnp08026.gho.boulder.ibm.com (b03cxnp08026.gho.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.130.18]) by ppma05wdc.us.ibm.com with ESMTP id 30b5h6vs11-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:03:44 +0000 Received: from b03ledav003.gho.boulder.ibm.com (b03ledav003.gho.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.130.234]) by b03cxnp08026.gho.boulder.ibm.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id 03EM3hat55116048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:03:43 GMT Received: from b03ledav003.gho.boulder.ibm.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F0E6A09C; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:03:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from b03ledav003.gho.boulder.ibm.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9276A0A2; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:03:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from demeter.roc.mn.charter.com (unknown [9.85.154.32]) by b03ledav003.gho.boulder.ibm.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:03:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: ipmi password storage To: Vernon Mauery , Patrick Williams Cc: OpenBMC Development References: <20200413230015.GB9295@mauery.jf.intel.com> <20200414155019.GB443018@heinlein.lan.stwcx.xyz> <20200414164610.GC9295@mauery.jf.intel.com> From: Joseph Reynolds Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 17:03:41 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200414164610.GC9295@mauery.jf.intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.138, 18.0.676 definitions=2020-04-14_11:2020-04-14, 2020-04-14 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=outbound score=0 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 priorityscore=1501 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 clxscore=1015 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 impostorscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 spamscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2004140153 X-BeenThere: openbmc@lists.ozlabs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Development list for OpenBMC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:11:26 -0000 On 4/14/20 11:46 AM, Vernon Mauery wrote: > On 14-Apr-2020 10:50 AM, Patrick Williams wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 04:00:15PM -0700, Vernon Mauery wrote: >> >> Vernon, >> >> Is there some background pointers on why IPMI needs to store passwords >> in a reverable way?  I never understood that. > > Sure. I think this is most clearly described in section 13.31 "RMCP+ > Authenticated Key-Exchange Protocol (RAKP)" in the IPMI v2 1.1 spec. This may be a bit naive....  Is it possible to expand the RCMP+ spec with a new cipher suite or similar, to use a mechanism more like HTTPS or SSH that does not require the server to be able to produce a clear text password?  Given that IPMI will be used for many years, this seems worthwhile, and would solve the current problem. - Joseph > --Vernon > >>> >>> >>> --Vernon >> >> -- >> Patrick Williams > >