From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.3 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,INCLUDES_CR_TRAILER,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413F0C433DB for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 16:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E821C22ADC for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 16:36:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1725837AbhAXQgF (ORCPT ); Sun, 24 Jan 2021 11:36:05 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:46100 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725798AbhAXQgE (ORCPT ); Sun, 24 Jan 2021 11:36:04 -0500 Received: from mail-wm1-x332.google.com (mail-wm1-x332.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::332]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B403CC061573 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 08:35:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wm1-x332.google.com with SMTP id m2so8528203wmm.1 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 08:35:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CqgdsMB6seMOaint5dFWVyh2n67X435cSOytI3XF8a0=; b=lvy2gVT6wlCc+/m6sLWL9sslkOhemrMHy045PXPNaNIcAu+TkEEDNQ7ny55x0hFjBO AJI76XHJR8ickc5QzhzWuiFgiBfdrEM/X3aAWqAgUrawvMo679gj1wM7GyTrPjtI9v4w gWcuQYjmo7bXZOjRubVQh/9xXP4tex2WK2Dg3jR16DdWCsHHmpUJk+p3ODLpKFbqcYtL SxWYh/kHZNTqMfiPWaEeEUFS3F2qhJwMhEOrfeCMl/3khtvtkbuzTeQUbiHQQ6tmaY3H bii7aOE2aUCbRzgQD6Ux+GAenTsYvL9uYZqJWpy3E30vxZ5wJGz/ZdTYwco3obf5Dm/i Vyfw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CqgdsMB6seMOaint5dFWVyh2n67X435cSOytI3XF8a0=; b=lx9LwfP4ZPiW+/3fcntThmbCG1mW2h9OEbg/YIZDweVYa+oSSdS+jUL5B1AP7TNVEd Gpod9PsD2bsRzdQrTuzC+LHUt3h+DZDdw2paJXbgjQP1iY1B5DzhWJ/YJJNFRVixsuZN lPRkrpDM1O0lN1KVg2m74FzrliBEVWep8IsXO8xB+EwH8AVnLbvGxXfPlFvkhIsqKZSo IS2E/AmHXknApPJxVTj4lu0XS/r227sd9wvIYPBSBAlvzEkNCO/KJNrefgjrBts0d1c9 6nwWiTCeRAnCtlwVw5a4Y80A+OcSu+ljRT1C75ikDfJGyEJ3KnFyQfs283jLkRNrw0Ib m1YQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533Erw9Cb6xP5jNKBepMnEg3u3+BJYACkSKNa9XOlFhZSKaRqpZz L1HkYOwi/KqNmuo6D3KHn7HjTAGXKi4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx13Bg4f3Is0uagCjsOroHWWdwf1a+UzlN4xHjHWLwNqOdiKw88Bi6HlY1l8LPClp0nu5NT/A== X-Received: by 2002:a7b:cf3a:: with SMTP id m26mr1349807wmg.55.1611506122425; Sun, 24 Jan 2021 08:35:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.143] ([170.253.51.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with UTF8SMTPSA id u16sm19690033wrn.68.2021.01.24.08.35.21 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 24 Jan 2021 08:35:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [PATCH] Various pages: Use 'logical' puntuation method for parentheses To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" Cc: linux-man@vger.kernel.org References: <20210124151035.70536-5-alx.manpages@gmail.com> From: "Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)" Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 17:35:21 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:84.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/84.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org On 1/24/21 5:18 PM, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote: > Hi Alex, > > On 1/24/21 5:06 PM, Alejandro Colomar (man-pages) wrote: >> On 1/24/21 4:10 PM, Alejandro Colomar wrote: >>> This fix places periods after the closing parenthesis. >>> This is normative in various European languages, >>> and avoids confusion. >>> >>> See "Hart's Rules", >>> and the "Oxford Dictionary for Writers and Editors". >>> See also the spanish "Diccionario Panhispanico de Dudas" >>> entry about parentheses. >>> >>> >>> Script: >>> >>> $ find man? -type f \ >>> |xargs sed -iE '/(etc\.\)|\.\.\.|\.\)\.|\(\.\)| ack\.| ed\.| dec\.|Copyright)/!s/\.\)/)./'; >>> >>> Signed-off-by: Alejandro Colomar > --- >>> >>> Hi Michael, >>> >>> I thoroughly reviewed this one, and didn't see any weird things. >>> I don't have a copy of Hart's Rules, or the Oxford dict.; >>> I followed the Spanish rules for parentheses, which I guess will be the same: >>> . >>> You can practice a bit of Spanish reading that ;). >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Alex >> >> Hi Michael, >> >> This patch is too large for vger (395 KiB); >> what should I do? >> >> Split it into <100K chunks? (I think the limit for vger is 100 KiB). >> Forward a sample of it to linux-man@? > > Nothing yet. The patch is wrong. In English, the Lofgical Style pertains only > to quotes. > > In English, punctuation goes inside parentheses when a > full sentence is involved. (Thus, this sentence is correctly > punctuated.) It's news to me that Spanish is different! > > Thanks, > > Michael > Hi Michael, Hummm! The illogical English-speaking people are... illogical! :-P That surprised me of American a month ago, and now about British. So I'm not surprised that you're surprised. It's logical to be surprised. What is illogical is that the British use the logical style for quotations, but not for parentheses. So, we'll have to live with it. Cheers, Alex -- Alejandro Colomar Linux man-pages comaintainer; https://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/ http://www.alejandro-colomar.es/