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From: Bean <bean123ch@gmail.com>
To: The development of GRUB 2 <grub-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [GITGRUB] New menu interface (implementation)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:49:48 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ca0f59980910091149o1f616ef6nbf1e32b54398f6f1@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2e59e6970910091128x697e46b1oc1ddddcc6718b3ca@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:28 AM, richardvoigt@gmail.com
<richardvoigt@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Michal Suchanek <hramrach@centrum.cz> wrote:
>> 2009/10/9 richardvoigt@gmail.com <richardvoigt@gmail.com>:
>>>> I am suggesting an interface that allows style commands like
>>>>
>>>> style {
>>>>
>>>> (class==button).(text==OK) { <style> }
>>>>
>>>> (class==dialog).<nothing here>.(class=button) { <style> }
>>>>
>>>> (class==buttonbar) { direction = right_to_left }
>>>>
>>>> (class==button) {
>>>>  border_top = button_top
>>>>  border_left = button_left
>>>>  ...
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> }
>>>
>>> I don't like this.  It's a unit testing nightmare. Matter of fact, so
>>> is auto-layout.  I don't want my bootloader to be a web browser.  I
>>> want it to be reliable and load fast.
>>>
>>> At the very least, please keep the actual boot sequencing (the stuff
>>> equivalent to menu.lst of grub-0.97) separate and let the GUI stuff
>>> incorporate them by reference.  Then provide a hotkey (e.g. hold 'R'
>>> during boot) to skip all GUI (and I mean skip everything configurable,
>>> not just text vs graphics) and provide a simple selection with no
>>> nesting, no icons, no borders, no fonts, no colors, no multiple lists,
>>> just everything in one big scrollable list, with access to the command
>>> line.
>>
>> The thing is that people *demand* that things are configurable, and
>> for grub legacy poorly written (possibly because grub-legacy was hard
>> to extend) patches for that were created which were not incorporated
>> into the mainline grub-legacy.
>>
>> So the choice here is to support configurable menu (and try to strip
>> features as much as possible to keep the complexity reasonable while
>> still maintain reasonable flexibility) or accept that several ad-hoc
>> graphics menu implementations will eventually emerge on the net.
>
> Or you can stop trying to solve all the world's problems (and getting
> an equivalent number of bugs), and design something that lends itself
> to extension.
>
> You've already got modules.  I think that if you provide the following
> few functions, people will make mutually compatible extensions that
> could then be merged into the main tree as desired:
>
> Some data structure for holding the boot sequence commands, like grub
> legacy's menu.lst but without the look-and-feel stuff.
> Enumeration of available boot sequences (and possibly bootable media
> not listed in the user's configuration).
> A function for executing a particular boot sequence by id-string.
>
> A function for printing text in text-mode.
>
> A class for holding a screen-buffer. (readable attributes such as
> width and height)
> A function for presenting the screen-buffer, and returning after a key
> is pressed or timeout (or possibly if bootable media is inserted).
> A function for filling a rectangular subregion with a specific color.
> A function for drawing a box (flags for which sides to draw, color of
> sides, and single-or-double line, and raster-combining op such as XOR
> to help with highlighting selected items).
> A function for drawing a bitmap.
> A function for drawing a string (specify color).
>
> A function for obtaining the user's stored GUI configuration (content
> is specific to the extension).
> And a global setting that specifies which GUI extension is to be loaded.
>
> You can provide a couple prebuilt extensions such as simple scrolling
> text list selectable with arrow keys ala grub-legacy (no GUI
> configuration) and a fancier one more like rEFIt with one horizontal
> list of kernel icons above and a set of tools below (GUI configuration
> is the set of items to place in the toolbar, all others go in the
> kernel list).  These are small enough in scope to get right and cover
> completely with tests.
>
> Yes, fancier menus will emerge out on the net.  Yes, they'll be
> incompatible and have some duplication of effort in terms of
> auto-layout.  But every one of the auto-layout routines will be far
> simpler, because it doesn't have to let the user choose how to divide
> space, etc.  Each only has to accommodate more items in the
> already-defined layout.  Plus, users can always fallback to a good
> version and recovery from a messed-up GUI configuration will be made
> easier.
>
> And, you can work on an extension which is the infinitely-flexible
> pseudo-CSS pseudo-HTML autolayout engine you're already started on.
> But I'm suspicious that it'll never be finished because the scope is
> so large.

Hi,

Actually the menu system is split into different modules, you can use
it to build your own ui:

region:
low level drawing api, use to construct ui that work in both text and
graphic mode

config loader:
loads tree structure config file

widget:
widget infrastructure function

ui component:
widgets

Users can extend ui by writing new widget, some of the complex task
like layout manager is already handled by the widget manager.

-- 
Bean

gitgrub home: http://github.com/grub/grub/
my fork page: http://github.com/bean123/grub/



  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-09 18:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 175+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-16 20:55 [GITGRUB] New menu interface (implementation) Bean
2009-09-17 10:06 ` Bean
2009-09-19 14:38 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-19 20:48   ` Bean
2009-09-20  8:21     ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-20  8:30     ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-20 18:17       ` Bean
2009-09-21  9:16         ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-21 14:56           ` Bean
2009-09-23 11:29             ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-23 12:11               ` Bean
2009-09-23 17:10                 ` Bean
2009-09-23 19:26                   ` Bean
2009-09-24  7:20                     ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-24  8:51                       ` Bean
2009-09-24  9:40                         ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-24 10:31                           ` Bean
2009-09-24 22:00                             ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-25  8:00                               ` Bean
2009-09-25  9:00                                 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-25  9:12                                   ` Bean
2009-09-25  9:46                                     ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-25 10:02                                       ` Bean
2009-09-25 10:13                                         ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-25 10:19                                           ` Bean
2009-09-25 10:37                                             ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-25 15:45                                               ` Bean
2009-09-27 16:12                                                 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-27 18:33                                                   ` Bean
2009-09-27 20:46                                                     ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-28  3:48                                                       ` Bean
2009-09-28  9:47                                                         ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-28 10:48                                                           ` Bean
2009-09-28 11:44                                                             ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-30 19:52                                                               ` Bean
2009-09-30 23:21                                                                 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-01  5:06                                                                   ` Bean
2009-10-01  8:41                                                                     ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-01  9:17                                                                       ` Bean
2009-10-01 10:02                                                                         ` Bean
2009-10-01 12:19                                                                           ` Bean
2009-10-01 12:44                                                                         ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-01 13:33                                                                           ` Bean
2009-10-01 14:53                                                                             ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-01 16:22                                                                               ` Bean
2009-10-02  9:16                                                                                 ` Bean
2009-10-02 10:42                                                                                 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-03 15:25                                                                                   ` Bean
2009-10-03 22:34                                                                                     ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-04  4:27                                                                                       ` Bean
2009-10-04 11:22                                                                                         ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-04 13:54                                                                                           ` Bean
2009-10-04 16:06                                                                                             ` richardvoigt
2009-10-04 16:16                                                                                               ` Bean
2009-10-04 20:05                                                                                                 ` Bean
2009-10-04 20:16                                                                                                   ` Bean
2009-10-04 22:20                                                                                                     ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-04 22:21                                                                                                       ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-05  4:45                                                                                                       ` Bean
2009-10-05  9:07                                                                                                         ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-05 10:35                                                                                                           ` Bean
2009-10-05 13:40                                                                                                             ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-06  6:10                                                                                                               ` Bean
2009-10-06  6:25                                                                                                                 ` richardvoigt
2009-10-05 17:52                                                                                                             ` richardvoigt
2009-10-06  5:35                                                                                                               ` Bean
2009-10-05 12:24                                                                                                           ` Bean
2009-10-05 13:33                                                                                                             ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-06  5:33                                                                                                               ` Bean
2009-10-06  9:50                                                                                                                 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-06 11:08                                                                                                                   ` Bean
2009-10-06 11:46                                                                                                                     ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-06 13:14                                                                                                                       ` Bean
2009-10-06 15:18                                                                                                                         ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-06 16:14                                                                                                                           ` Bean
2009-10-06 16:35                                                                                                                           ` Bean
2009-10-06 18:41                                                                                                                             ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-06 22:16                                                                                                                             ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-07  6:05                                                                                                                               ` Bean
2009-10-07  8:54                                                                                                                                 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-07 10:54                                                                                                                                   ` Bean
2009-10-07 10:57                                                                                                                                   ` Bean
2009-10-07 13:05                                                                                                                                     ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-07 21:13                                                                                                                                       ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-08  4:20                                                                                                                                         ` Bean
2009-10-08  5:21                                                                                                                                           ` Bean
2009-10-08 11:26                                                                                                                                             ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-08 13:26                                                                                                                                               ` Bean
2009-10-08 21:34                                                                                                                                                 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-09  3:45                                                                                                                                                   ` Bean
2009-10-09 11:52                                                                                                                                                     ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-09 12:48                                                                                                                                                       ` Bean
2009-10-09 14:20                                                                                                                                                         ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-09 14:54                                                                                                                                                           ` Bean
2009-10-09 15:57                                                                                                                                                             ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-09 16:17                                                                                                                                                               ` Bean
2009-10-09 16:29                                                                                                                                                                 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-09 16:48                                                                                                                                                                   ` Bean
2009-10-09 17:27                                                                                                                                                                     ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-09 18:32                                                                                                                                                                       ` Bean
2009-10-09 20:41                                                                                                                                                                         ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-10  3:43                                                                                                                                                                           ` Bean
2009-10-10 11:22                                                                                                                                                                             ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-10 19:21                                                                                                                                                                               ` Bean
2009-10-10 22:54                                                                                                                                                                                 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-11  3:58                                                                                                                                                                                   ` Bean
2009-10-11 10:03                                                                                                                                                                                     ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-16 20:47                                                                                                                                                                                       ` Bean
2009-10-17 20:01                                                                                                                                                                                         ` Bean
2009-10-18 17:01                                                                                                                                                                                           ` Bean
2009-10-20 14:52                                                                                                                                                                                             ` Bean
2009-10-20 19:31                                                                                                                                                                                               ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-21  1:01                                                                                                                                                                                                 ` Peter Cros
2009-10-21  4:07                                                                                                                                                                                                 ` Bean
2009-10-21 20:55                                                                                                                                                                                                   ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-22  3:47                                                                                                                                                                                                     ` Bean
2009-10-20 19:20                                                                                                                                                                                             ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-21  3:45                                                                                                                                                                                               ` Bean
2009-10-21 20:47                                                                                                                                                                                                 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-22  4:34                                                                                                                                                                                                   ` Bean
2009-10-22  7:41                                                                                                                                                                                                     ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-22  8:15                                                                                                                                                                                                       ` Bean
2009-10-23  5:59                                                                                                                                                                                                         ` Peter Cros
2009-10-23  7:31                                                                                                                                                                                                           ` Bean
2009-10-24  8:04                                                                                                                                                                                                             ` Peter Cros
2009-10-25 14:27                                                                                                                                                                                                               ` Peter Cros
2009-10-26 18:24                                                                                                                                                                                                                 ` Bean
2009-10-27 17:34                                                                                                                                                                                                                   ` Bean
2009-10-28 20:29                                                                                                                                                                                                                     ` Bean
2009-10-28 21:12                                                                                                                                                                                                                       ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-10-29  3:24                                                                                                                                                                                                                         ` Bean
2009-10-29  9:10                                                                                                                                                                                                                           ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-10-29  9:25                                                                                                                                                                                                                             ` Bean
2009-10-29  9:33                                                                                                                                                                                                                               ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-10-29  9:52                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 ` Bean
2009-10-30 12:07                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   ` Bean
2009-11-01 17:16                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     ` Bean
2009-11-09 15:55                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       ` Bean
2009-11-09 16:16                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         ` mingw32 compile fixes (Re: [GITGRUB] New menu interface (implementation)) Robert Millan
2009-11-09 16:46                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           ` Bean
2009-11-09 20:03                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             ` Robert Millan
2009-11-10 13:51                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               ` Bean
2009-11-09 20:04                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             ` warn_unused_result attribute (Re: mingw32 compile fixes (Re: [GITGRUB] New menu interface (implementation))) Robert Millan
2009-11-09 20:10                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               ` Felix Zielcke
2009-11-09 21:07                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 ` Robert Millan
2009-11-09 20:20                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               ` Colin Watson
2009-10-20 19:06                                                                                                                                                                                           ` [GITGRUB] New menu interface (implementation) Michal Suchanek
2009-10-21  3:21                                                                                                                                                                                             ` Bean
2009-10-09 16:56                                                                                                                                                               ` richardvoigt
2009-10-09 17:09                                                                                                                                                                 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-09 18:28                                                                                                                                                                   ` richardvoigt
2009-10-09 18:49                                                                                                                                                                     ` Bean [this message]
2009-10-09 20:22                                                                                                                                                                     ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-09 15:58                                                                                                                                                             ` Bean
2009-10-08 11:18                                                                                                                                           ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-08 13:07                                                                                                                                             ` Bean
2009-10-08 21:46                                                                                                                                               ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-09  3:34                                                                                                                                                 ` Bean
2009-10-09 11:48                                                                                                                                                   ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-09 12:34                                                                                                                                                     ` Bean
2009-10-06 22:59                                                                                                                             ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-04 21:24                                                                                                 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-04 21:57                                                                                             ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-05  5:01                                                                                               ` Bean
2009-10-05  9:12                                                                                                 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-10-04 12:03                                                                                         ` Peter Cros
2009-10-04 13:26                                                                                           ` Bean
2009-09-27 23:01                                                     ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-28  2:59                                                       ` Bean
2009-09-28  9:32                                                         ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-19 18:45 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-19 18:55   ` richardvoigt
2009-09-20  8:31     ` Michal Suchanek
2009-09-20 18:51       ` richardvoigt
2009-09-21  9:23         ` Michal Suchanek

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