From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Marek Vasut Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 19:10:01 +0200 Subject: [U-Boot] [U-Boot-Custodians] [U-Boot-Board-Maintainers] [ANN] U-Boot v2019.07-rc4 released In-Reply-To: References: <20190611013147.GW7115@bill-the-cat> <4046c53f-539b-6b35-d471-579a1ef02bb9@suse.de> <2df7190f-8a95-c84b-3ca4-d428fde896d5@suse.de> Message-ID: List-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: u-boot@lists.denx.de On 6/24/19 3:56 PM, Simon Glass wrote: > Hi Andreas,, > > On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 at 20:49, Andreas Färber wrote: >> >> Hi Simon, >> >> Am 22.06.19 um 21:14 schrieb Simon Glass: >>> On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 at 20:08, Andreas Färber wrote: >>>> Am 22.06.19 um 20:15 schrieb Simon Glass: >>>>> On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 at 16:10, Andreas Färber wrote: >>>>>> Am 22.06.19 um 16:55 schrieb Simon Glass: >>>>>>> I'd like to better understand the benefits of the 3-month timeline. >>>>>> >>>>>> It takes time to learn about a release, package and build it, test it on >>>>>> various hardware, investigate and report errors, wait for feedback and >>>>>> fixes, rinse and repeat with the next -rc. Many people don't do this as >>>>>> their main job. >>>>>> >>>>>> If we shorten the release cycle, newer boards will get out faster (which >>>>>> is good) but the overall quality of boards not actively worked on >>>>>> (because they were working good enough before) will decay, which is bad. >>>>>> The only way to counteract that would be to automatically test on real >>>>>> hardware rather than just building, and doing that for all these masses >>>>>> of boards seems unrealistic. >>>>> >>>>> Here I think you are talking about distributions. But why not just >>>>> take every second release? >>>> >>>> You're missing my point: What good is it to do a release when you >>>> yourself consider it of such poor quality that you advise others not to >>>> take it? >>> >>> Who said that? >> >> You, quoted above. In response to my concerns about decreasing quality >> you suggested to take only every second release. That doesn't improve >> the quality of either. It implies that one may have such bad quality >> that people should skip it and yet does nothing to improve the next. > > Actually I did not say that I consider the release of such poor > quality. Nor did I advise others to take it. I suspect this is a > misunderstanding of "But why not just take every second release?". > > My point was that if people don't have time to test every release, > then just put in the time to test every second release. So what about be the point of releasing the untested intermediate release at all ? I'm sure people can just grab u-boot/master or -rc2 just fine. [...] -- Best regards, Marek Vasut