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From: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-block@nongnu.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, jcody@redhat.com,
	armbru@redhat.com, mreitz@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 35/40] job: Add JOB_STATUS_CHANGE QMP event
Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 13:36:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d58401b0-18e6-5815-b46f-67e941ade836@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180524083624.GE4008@localhost.localdomain>



On 05/24/2018 04:36 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> Am 24.05.2018 um 02:02 hat John Snow geschrieben:
>>
>>
>> On 05/18/2018 09:21 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
>>> This adds a QMP event that is emitted whenever a job transitions from
>>> one status to another.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
>>
>> That's a lot of events, and a lot are redundant to what we already
>> transmitted under block jobs; it also has the effect of making internal
>> state changes explicit behavior that we're responsible for maintaining
>> for external clients.
>>
>> Is that what we want here?
>>
>> (I mean, the answer is probably "Yes" because you're here writing the
>> patch, but I was hoping to find your motivation.)
> 
> The state change is visible in query-jobs anyway, so allowing the client
> to get events rather than polling query-jobs doesn't change the amount
> of information that is exposed.
> 

With differing amounts of guarantees, though; for querying you have to
so happen to catch it and in practice you may never observe many of the
status transitions. It's not something that an external client could
rely on.

With events, we're guaranteeing you will be able to listen to all
possible state transitions. People may begin depending on them in ways
we hadn't anticipated just yet.

...Well, as long as the client is connected to the stream, which we
suggest may not always be possible with the presence of the concluded state.

> You're right that some of the events are redundant with existing block
> job events, but that unavoidable because we can't send BLOCK_JOB_*
> events for non-block jobs. And not sending JOB_* for block jobs would be
> inconsistent.
> 
> The question that I was asking myself was just whether I'd literally
> duplicate the existing events, just with s/BLOCK_JOB_/JOB_/, or whether
> a single event with a status field can do. I think the latter is more
> elegant (also because it can be implemented in a single place), even if
> it is emitted a bit more often than strictly necessary.
> 

Code-wise I agree that this is more elegant; just wondering if the
implications of the additional API guarantees were considered. This
means we have to be a bit more careful about how we restructure the
state machine in the future, I think.

It also makes the "NULL" state visible, which I didn't really intend...
It's probably fine, just a little quirky.

> Kevin
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2018-05-24 17:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-18 13:20 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 00/40] Generic background jobs Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 01/40] blockjob: Update block-job-pause/resume documentation Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 14:20   ` Eric Blake
2018-05-18 17:12   ` John Snow
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 02/40] blockjob: Improve BlockJobInfo.offset/len documentation Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 14:25   ` Eric Blake
2018-05-18 17:47   ` John Snow
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 03/40] job: Create Job, JobDriver and job_create() Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 04/40] job: Rename BlockJobType into JobType Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 05/40] job: Add JobDriver.job_type Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 06/40] job: Add job_delete() Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 07/40] job: Maintain a list of all jobs Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 08/40] job: Move state transitions to Job Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 14:36   ` Eric Blake
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 09/40] job: Add reference counting Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 10/40] job: Move cancelled to Job Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 11/40] job: Add Job.aio_context Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 12/40] job: Move defer_to_main_loop to Job Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 17:56   ` John Snow
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 13/40] job: Move coroutine and related code " Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 18:43   ` John Snow
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 14/40] job: Add job_sleep_ns() Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 15/40] job: Move pause/resume functions to Job Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 16/40] job: Replace BlockJob.completed with job_is_completed() Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 17/40] job: Move BlockJobCreateFlags to Job Kevin Wolf
2018-05-23 22:24   ` John Snow
2018-05-24  8:17     ` Kevin Wolf
2018-05-24 17:46       ` John Snow
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 18/40] blockjob: Split block_job_event_pending() Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 19/40] job: Add job_event_*() Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 20/40] job: Move single job finalisation to Job Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 18:00   ` Eric Blake
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 21/40] job: Convert block_job_cancel_async() " Kevin Wolf
2018-05-23 23:18   ` John Snow
2018-05-24  8:24     ` Kevin Wolf
2018-05-24 17:42       ` John Snow
2018-05-25  8:00         ` Kevin Wolf
2018-05-25 17:43           ` John Snow
2018-05-29 11:59           ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Kashyap Chamarthy
2018-05-29 12:30             ` Max Reitz
2018-05-29 13:10               ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2018-05-29 13:22                 ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2018-05-30 20:33               ` John Snow
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 22/40] job: Add job_drain() Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 23/40] job: Move .complete callback to Job Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 24/40] job: Move job_finish_sync() " Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 25/40] job: Switch transactions to JobTxn Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 26/40] job: Move transactions to Job Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 27/40] job: Move completion and cancellation " Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 28/40] block: Cancel job in bdrv_close_all() callers Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 29/40] job: Add job_yield() Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 30/40] job: Add job_dismiss() Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 31/40] job: Add job_is_ready() Kevin Wolf
2018-05-23 23:42   ` John Snow
2018-05-24  8:30     ` Kevin Wolf
2018-05-24 17:25       ` John Snow
2018-05-25  8:06         ` Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 32/40] job: Add job_transition_to_ready() Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 33/40] job: Move progress fields to Job Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 34/40] job: Introduce qapi/job.json Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 15:59   ` Eric Blake
2018-05-31 21:21   ` Eric Blake
2018-05-18 13:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 35/40] job: Add JOB_STATUS_CHANGE QMP event Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 17:55   ` Eric Blake
2018-05-24  0:02   ` John Snow
2018-05-24  8:36     ` Kevin Wolf
2018-05-24 17:36       ` John Snow [this message]
2018-05-24 18:22         ` Eric Blake
2018-05-24 18:32           ` John Snow
2018-05-18 13:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 36/40] job: Add lifecycle QMP commands Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 18:12   ` Eric Blake
2018-05-22 10:40     ` Kevin Wolf
2018-05-23 23:56   ` John Snow
2018-05-18 13:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 37/40] job: Add query-jobs QMP command Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 18:14   ` Eric Blake
2018-05-18 18:22   ` Eric Blake
2018-05-22 10:44     ` Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 38/40] blockjob: Remove BlockJob.driver Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 39/40] iotests: Move qmp_to_opts() to VM Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 13:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 40/40] qemu-iotests: Test job-* with block jobs Kevin Wolf
2018-05-18 14:05 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 00/40] Generic background jobs no-reply
2018-05-18 18:41 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-05-22 11:01   ` Kevin Wolf
2018-05-22 17:15     ` Marc-André Lureau
2018-05-29 17:16       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-05-23 12:31 ` Kevin Wolf

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