From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.3 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10198C433E1 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:18:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCCAB61A1A for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:18:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S230159AbhCZPRy (ORCPT ); Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:17:54 -0400 Received: from mga04.intel.com ([192.55.52.120]:30410 "EHLO mga04.intel.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S230051AbhCZPRj (ORCPT ); Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:17:39 -0400 IronPort-SDR: Kbwox8vH8ip/YHtx0jXGbxgYBHmofw3p+oCRQrjhbDrPTCj+7X9FCDNKmwRK8KVs0njOsb+gg9 dkPHO17K/YoQ== X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="6000,8403,9935"; a="188891583" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.81,280,1610438400"; d="scan'208";a="188891583" Received: from orsmga001.jf.intel.com ([10.7.209.18]) by fmsmga104.fm.intel.com with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 26 Mar 2021 08:17:39 -0700 IronPort-SDR: jGA8K3qvNUJzthIXBVFn5BjN8x+L276KCeMRedyVwl30zDKhdpJx+2Ukkf7nYPjLX1N6aoO2Oj uTKZeq/KD3pg== X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.81,280,1610438400"; d="scan'208";a="453544501" Received: from apandit-mobl.amr.corp.intel.com (HELO [10.212.248.9]) ([10.212.248.9]) by orsmga001-auth.jf.intel.com with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 26 Mar 2021 08:17:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 05/25] x86/sgx: Introduce virtual EPC for use by KVM guests To: Borislav Petkov , seanjc@google.com Cc: Kai Huang , kvm@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org, linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jarkko@kernel.org, luto@kernel.org, rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com, haitao.huang@intel.com, pbonzini@redhat.com, tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, hpa@zytor.com References: <0c38ced8c8e5a69872db4d6a1c0dabd01e07cad7.1616136308.git.kai.huang@intel.com> <20210326150320.GF25229@zn.tnic> From: Dave Hansen Autocrypt: addr=dave.hansen@intel.com; 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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210326150320.GF25229@zn.tnic> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 3/26/21 8:03 AM, Borislav Petkov wrote: > Let's say all guests start using enclaves and baremetal cannot start any > new ones anymore due to no more memory. Are we ok with that? Yes, for now. > What if baremetal creates a big fat enclave and starves guests all of a > sudden. Are we ok with that either? Actually, the baremetal enclave will get a large chunk of its resources reclaimed and stolen from it. The guests will probably start and the baremetal will probably thrash until its allocations fail and it is killed because it couldn't allocate enclave memory in a page fault. > In general, having two disjoint things give out SGX resources separately > sounds like trouble to me. Yes, it's trouble as-is. We're working on a cgroup controller just for enclave pages that will apply to guest use and bare metal. It would have been nice to have up front, but we're trying to do things incrementally. A cgroup controller should solve he vast majority of these issues where users are quarreling about who gets enclave memory. BTW, we probably should have laid this out up front in the original merge, but the plans in order were roughly: 1. Core SGX functionality (merged into 5.11) 2. NUMA and KVM work 3. cgroup controller for enclave pages 4. EDMM support (lets you add/remove pages and change permissions while enclave runs. Current enclaves are stuck with the same memory they start with) After that, things become less clear. There's some debate whether we need to rework the VA pages (enclave swapping metadata to prevent replay) or improve ability to reclaim guest pages.