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From: Ziyang Zhang <ZiyangZhang@linux.alibaba.com>
To: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>, Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <mszeredi@redhat.com>,
	Bernd Schubert <bschubert@ddn.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Xiaoguang Wang <xiaoguang.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	io-uring@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 00/16] io_uring/ublk: add IORING_OP_FUSED_CMD
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:17:56 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ded5b188-0bcd-3003-353e-b31608e58be4@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <845ff5cb-b0ff-8ea0-e2ff-a5b216966dfb@gmail.com>

On 2023/3/19 00:23, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
> On 3/16/23 03:13, Xiaoguang Wang wrote:
>>> Add IORING_OP_FUSED_CMD, it is one special URING_CMD, which has to
>>> be SQE128. The 1st SQE(master) is one 64byte URING_CMD, and the 2nd
>>> 64byte SQE(slave) is another normal 64byte OP. For any OP which needs
>>> to support slave OP, io_issue_defs[op].fused_slave needs to be set as 1,
>>> and its ->issue() can retrieve/import buffer from master request's
>>> fused_cmd_kbuf. The slave OP is actually submitted from kernel, part of
>>> this idea is from Xiaoguang's ublk ebpf patchset, but this patchset
>>> submits slave OP just like normal OP issued from userspace, that said,
>>> SQE order is kept, and batching handling is done too.
>> Thanks for this great work, seems that we're now in the right direction
>> to support ublk zero copy, I believe this feature will improve io throughput
>> greatly and reduce ublk's cpu resource usage.
>>
>> I have gone through your 2th patch, and have some little concerns here:
>> Say we have one ublk loop target device, but it has 4 backend files,
>> every file will carry 25% of device capacity and it's implemented in stripped
>> way, then for every io request, current implementation will need issed 4
>> fused_cmd, right? 4 slave sqes are necessary, but it would be better to
>> have just one master sqe, so I wonder whether we can have another
>> method. The key point is to let io_uring support register various kernel
>> memory objects, which come from kernel, such as ITER_BVEC or
>> ITER_KVEC. so how about below actions:
>> 1. add a new infrastructure in io_uring, which will support to register
>> various kernel memory objects in it, this new infrastructure could be
>> maintained in a xarray structure, every memory objects in it will have
>> a unique id. This registration could be done in a ublk uring cmd, io_uring
>> offers registration interface.
>> 2. then any sqe can use these memory objects freely, so long as it
>> passes above unique id in sqe properly.
>> Above are just rough ideas, just for your reference.
> 
> It precisely hints on what I proposed a bit earlier, that makes
> me not alone thinking that it's a good idea to have a design allowing
> 1) multiple ops using a buffer and 2) to limiting it to one single
> submission because the userspace might want to preprocess a part
> of the data, multiplex it or on the opposite divide. I was mostly
> coming from non ublk cases, and one example would be such zc recv,
> parsing the app level headers and redirecting the rest of the data
> somewhere.
> 
> I haven't got a chance to work on it but will return to it in
> a week. The discussion was here:
> 
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/ce96f7e7-1315-7154-f540-1a3ff0215674@gmail.com/
> 

Hi Pavel and all,

I think it is a good idea to register some kernel objects(such as bvec)
in io_uring and return a cookie(such as buf_idx) for READ/WRITE/SEND/RECV sqes.
There are some ways to register user's buffer such as IORING_OP_PROVIDE_BUFFERS
and IORING_REGISTER_PBUF_RING but there is not a way to register kernel buffer(bvec).

I do not think reusing splice is a good idea because splice should run in io-wq.
If we have a big sq depth there may be lots of io-wqs. Then lots of context switch
may lower the IO performance especially for small IO size.

Here are some rough ideas:
(1) design a new OPCODE such as IORING_REGISTER_KOBJ to register kernel objects in
    io_uring or
(2) reuse uring-cmd. We can send uring-cmd to drivers(opcode may be CMD_REGISTER_KBUF)
    and let drivers call io_uring_provide_kbuf() to register kbuf. io_uring_provide_kbuf()
    is a new function provided by io_uring for drivers.
(3) let the driver call io_uring_provide_kbuf() directly. For ublk, this function is called
    before io_uring_cmd_done().

Regards,
Zhang

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-03-21  9:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-14 12:57 [PATCH V3 00/16] io_uring/ublk: add IORING_OP_FUSED_CMD Ming Lei
2023-03-14 12:57 ` [PATCH V3 01/16] io_uring: increase io_kiocb->flags into 64bit Ming Lei
2023-03-14 12:57 ` [PATCH V3 02/16] io_uring: add IORING_OP_FUSED_CMD Ming Lei
2023-03-18 14:31   ` Jens Axboe
2023-03-18 15:24     ` Ming Lei
2023-03-18 16:00       ` Jens Axboe
2023-03-18 16:13       ` Ming Lei
2023-03-14 12:57 ` [PATCH V3 03/16] io_uring: support OP_READ/OP_WRITE for fused slave request Ming Lei
2023-03-14 12:57 ` [PATCH V3 04/16] io_uring: support OP_SEND_ZC/OP_RECV " Ming Lei
2023-03-14 12:57 ` [PATCH V3 05/16] block: ublk_drv: mark device as LIVE before adding disk Ming Lei
2023-03-14 12:57 ` [PATCH V3 06/16] block: ublk_drv: add common exit handling Ming Lei
2023-03-14 12:57 ` [PATCH V3 07/16] block: ublk_drv: don't consider flush request in map/unmap io Ming Lei
2023-03-14 12:57 ` [PATCH V3 08/16] block: ublk_drv: add two helpers to clean up map/unmap request Ming Lei
2023-03-14 12:57 ` [PATCH V3 09/16] block: ublk_drv: clean up several helpers Ming Lei
2023-03-14 12:57 ` [PATCH V3 10/16] block: ublk_drv: cleanup 'struct ublk_map_data' Ming Lei
2023-03-14 12:57 ` [PATCH V3 11/16] block: ublk_drv: cleanup ublk_copy_user_pages Ming Lei
2023-03-14 12:57 ` [PATCH V3 12/16] block: ublk_drv: grab request reference when the request is handled by userspace Ming Lei
2023-03-14 12:57 ` [PATCH V3 13/16] block: ublk_drv: support to copy any part of request pages Ming Lei
2023-03-14 12:57 ` [PATCH V3 14/16] block: ublk_drv: add read()/write() support for ublk char device Ming Lei
2023-03-14 12:57 ` [PATCH V3 15/16] block: ublk_drv: don't check buffer in case of zero copy Ming Lei
2023-03-14 12:57 ` [PATCH V3 16/16] block: ublk_drv: apply io_uring FUSED_CMD for supporting " Ming Lei
2023-03-16  3:13 ` [PATCH V3 00/16] io_uring/ublk: add IORING_OP_FUSED_CMD Xiaoguang Wang
2023-03-16  3:56   ` Ming Lei
2023-03-18 16:23   ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-03-18 16:39     ` Ming Lei
2023-03-21  9:17     ` Ziyang Zhang [this message]
2023-03-27 16:04       ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-03-28  1:01         ` Ming Lei
2023-03-28 11:01           ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-03-28  0:53       ` Ming Lei
2023-03-29  6:57         ` Ziyang Zhang
2023-03-29  8:52           ` Ming Lei
2023-03-25 14:15     ` Ming Lei
2023-03-17  8:14 ` Ming Lei
2023-03-18 12:59   ` Jens Axboe
2023-03-18 13:35     ` Ming Lei
2023-03-18 14:36       ` Jens Axboe
2023-03-18 15:06         ` Ming Lei
2023-03-18 16:51       ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-03-18 23:42         ` Ming Lei
2023-03-19  0:17           ` Ming Lei
2023-03-28 10:55           ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-03-28 13:01             ` Ming Lei
2023-03-29  6:59               ` Ziyang Zhang
2023-03-29 10:43               ` Pavel Begunkov
2023-03-29 11:55                 ` Ming Lei
2023-03-18 16:09 ` Jens Axboe
2023-03-18 17:01   ` Ming Lei
2023-03-21 15:56 ` Ming Lei

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