From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from list by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.71) id 1fnW7P-00005Y-QX for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2018 17:35:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57327) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fnW7O-00005P-DB for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2018 17:35:47 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fnW7L-0008D6-93 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2018 17:35:46 -0400 Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.66]:45916) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fnW7L-0008Cd-0k for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2018 17:35:43 -0400 Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (envelope-from ) id <1fnW7J-001D8D-7D>; Wed, 08 Aug 2018 23:35:41 +0200 Received: from p5dc15525.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([93.193.85.37] helo=[192.168.178.63]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (envelope-from ) id <1fnW7I-003zZj-VJ>; Wed, 08 Aug 2018 23:35:41 +0200 Subject: Re: Recent removal of a.out and COFF support for sparc To: Paul Koning Cc: "Maciej W. Rozycki" , Cary Coutant , Alan Modra , Binutils , The development of GNU GRUB References: <2d2f1c2a-1715-1348-c35a-ad562a3acbb2@physik.fu-berlin.de> <27449274-9250-97a3-1ff9-8b9c818659d4@physik.fu-berlin.de> <20180808015529.GP26457@bubble.grove.modra.org> <20180808131659.GA1544@bubble.grove.modra.org> <643f686e-d568-978d-07ab-31a62336966f@physik.fu-berlin.de> <91ae25c5-4af2-575f-b167-7e46027de7df@physik.fu-berlin.de> <6F5DD3AB-F40F-4353-B7DB-1C8C2B30EF87@comcast.net> From: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBE3JE9wBEADMrYGNfz3oz6XLw9XcWvuIxIlPWoTyw9BxTicfGAv0d87wngs9U+d52t/R EggPePf34gb7/k8FBY1IgyxnZEB5NxUb1WtW0M3GUxpPx6gBZqOm7SK1ZW3oSORw+T7Aezl3 Zq4Nr4Nptqx7fnLpXfRDs5iYO/GX8WuL8fkGS/gIXtxKewd0LkTlb6jq9KKq8qn8/BN5YEKq JlM7jsENyA5PIe2npN3MjEg6p+qFrmrzJRuFjjdf5vvGfzskrXCAKGlNjMMA4TgZvugOFmBI /iSyV0IOaj0uKhes0ZNX+lQFrOB4j6I5fTBy7L/T3W/pCWo3wVkknNYa8TDYT73oIZ7Aimv+ k7OzRfnxsSOAZT8Re1Yt8mvzr6FHVFjr/VdyTtO5JgQZ6LEmvo4Ro+2ByBmCHORCQ0NJhD1U 3avjGfvfslG999W0WEZLTeaGkBAN1yG/1bgGAytQQkD9NsVXqBy7S3LVv9bB844ysW5Aj1nv tgIz14E2WL8rbpfjJMXi7B5ha6Lxf3rFOgxpr6ZoEn+bGG4hmrO+/ReA4SerfMqwSTnjZsZv xMJsx2B9c8DaZE8GsA4I6lsihbJmXhw8i7Cta8Dx418wtEbXhL6m/UEk60O7QD1VBgGqDMnJ DFSlvKa9D+tZde/kHSNmQmLLzxtDbNgBgmR0jUlmxirijnm8bwARAQABtFRKb2huIFBhdWwg QWRyaWFuIEdsYXViaXR6IChGcmVpZSBVbml2ZXJzaXRhZXQgQmVybGluKSA8Z2xhdWJpdHpA cGh5c2lrLmZ1LWJlcmxpbi5kZT6JAlEEEwEIADsCGwMFCwkIBwMFFQoJCAsFFgIDAQACHgEC F4AWIQRi/4p1hOApVpVGAAZ0Jjs39bX5EwUCWhQoUgIZAQAKCRB0Jjs39bX5Ez/ID/98r9c4 WUSgOHVPSMVcOVziMOi+zPWfF1OhOXW+atpTM4LSSp66196xOlDFHOdNNmO6kxckXAX9ptvp Bc0mRxa7OrC168fKzqR7P75eTsJnVaOu+uI/vvgsbUIosYdkkekCxDAbYCUwmzNotIspnFbx iSPMNrpw7Ud/yQkS9TDYeXnrZDhBp7p5+naWCD/yMvh7yVCA4Ea8+xDVoX+kjv6EHJrwVupO pMa39cGs2rKYZbWTazcflKH+bXG3FHBrwh9XRjA6A1CTeC/zTVNgGF6wvw/qT2x9tS7WeeZ1 jvBCJub2cb07qIfuvxXiGcYGr+W4z9GuLCiWsMmoff/Gmo1aeMZDRYKLAZLGlEr6zkYh1Abt iz0YLqIYVbZAnf8dCjmYhuwPq77IeqSjqUqI2Cb0oOOlwRKVWDlqAeo0Bh8DrvZvBAojJf4H nQZ/pSz0yaRed/0FAmkVfV+1yR6BtRXhkRF6NCmguSITC96IzE26C6n5DBb43MR7Ga/mof4M UufnKADNG4qz57CBwENHyx6ftWJeWZNdRZq10o0NXuCJZf/iulHCWS/hFOM5ygfONq1Vsj2Z DSWvVpSLj+Ufd2QnmsnrCr1ZGcl72OC24AmqFWJY+IyReHWpuABEVZVeVDQooJ0K4yqucmrF R7HyH7oZGgR0CgYHCI+9yhrXHrQpyLkCDQRNyRQuARAArCaWhVbMXw9iHmMH0BN/TuSmeKtV h/+QOT5C5Uw+XJ3A+OHr9rB+SpndJEcDIhv70gLrpEuloXhZI9VYazfTv6lrkCZObXq/NgDQ Mnu+9E/E/PE9irqnZZOMWpurQRh41MibRii0iSr+AH2IhRL6CN2egZID6f93Cdu7US53ZqIx bXoguqGB2CK115bcnsswMW9YiVegFA5J9dAMsCI9/6M8li+CSYICi9gq0LdpODdsVfaxmo4+ xYFdXoDN33b8Yyzhbh/I5gtVIRpfL+Yjfk8xAsfz78wzifSDckSB3NGPAXvs6HxKc50bvf+P 6t2tLpmB/KrpozlZazq16iktY97QulyEY9JWCiEgDs6EKb4wTx+lUe4yS9eo95cBV+YlL+BX kJSAMyxgSOy35BeBaeUSIrYqfHpbNn6/nidwDhg/nxyJs8mPlBvHiCLwotje2AhtYndDEhGQ KEtEaMQEhDi9MsCGHe+00QegCv3FRveHwzGphY1YlRItLjF4TcFz1SsHn30e7uLTDe/pUMZU Kd1xU73WWr0NlWG1g49ITyaBpwdv/cs/RQ5laYYeivnag81TcPCDbTm7zXiwo53aLQOZj4u3 gSQvAUhgYTQUstMdkOMOn0PSIpyVAq3zrEFEYf7bNSTcdGrgwCuCBe4DgI3Vu4LOoAeI428t 2dj1K1EAEQEAAYkCHwQYAQgACQUCTckULgIbDAAKCRB0Jjs39bX5E683EAC1huywL4BlxTj7 FTm7FiKd5/KEH5/oaxLQN26mn8yRkP/L3xwiqXxdd0hnrPyUe8mUOrSg7KLMul+pSRxPgaHA xt1I1hQZ30cJ1j/SkDIV2ImSf75Yzz5v72fPiYLq9+H3qKZwrgof9yM/s0bfsSX/GWyFatvo Koo+TgrE0rmtQw82vv7/cbDAYceQm1bRB8Nr8agPyGXYcjohAj7NJcra4hnu1wUw3yD05p/B Rntv7NvPWV3Oo7DKCWIS4RpEd6I6E+tN3GCePqROeK1nDv+FJWLkyvwLigfNaCLro6/292YK VMdBISNYN4s6IGPrXGGvoDwo9RVo6kBhlYEfg6+2eaPCwq40IVfKbYNwLLB2MR2ssL4yzmDo OR3rQFDPj+QcDvH4/0gCQ+qRpYATIegS8zU5xQ8nPL8lba9YNejaOMzw8RB80g+2oPOJ3Wzx oMsmw8taUmd9TIw/bJ2VO1HniiJUGUXCqoeg8homvBOQ0PmWAWIwjC6nf6CIuIM4Egu2I5Kl jEF9ImTPcYZpw5vhdyPwBdXW2lSjV3EAqknWujRgcsm84nycuJnImwJptR481EWmtuH6ysj5 YhRVGbQPfdsjVUQfZdRdkEv4CZ90pdscBi1nRqcqANtzC+WQFwekDzk2lGqNRDg56s+q0KtY scOkTAZQGVpD/8AaLH4v1w== Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 23:35:40 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6F5DD3AB-F40F-4353-B7DB-1C8C2B30EF87@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 93.193.85.37 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 130.133.4.66 X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: The development of GNU GRUB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2018 21:35:47 -0000 On 08/08/2018 11:27 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > I don't quite understand. > > The original discussion seemed to be the removal of the a.out and coff output options specifically for sparc. In other words, a target which used to support ELF along with some other formats now supports ELF only. Yep. So you cut out support for the targets sparc/coff and sparc/a,out, the latter being the target format used by the OBP firmware used on nearly every SPARC machine. > There are also targets that do not support ELF. And I know of no plans to remove those targets, or to remove the a.out support they rely on. I'm maintainer for one of them. The SPARC OBP firmware is a target that does not support ELF which is why it is no longer possible to build binaries for this target despite being it an actively used target. > Nor are there plans to trim the target set of gcc down to "current mainstream targets", whatever that might mean. Well, yes, I just linked one of those gcc targets - the e500 target - earlier today. The m68k target in gcc is also constantly under threat because of the planned cc0 removal. Both the e500 and the m68k targets in gcc are actively used. The m68k target is still very popular despite its age. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaubitz@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de `- GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913