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From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/9] slub: Make PREEMPT_RT support less convoluted
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:54:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e3f9bde2-7754-491a-78c0-a4a37dacbdd5@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YwYm31FKQJh/CVBn@linutronix.de>

On 8/24/22 15:25, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> On 2022-08-23 19:15:43 [+0200], Vlastimil Babka wrote:
>>> +#define slub_local_irq_save(flags)	local_irq_save(flags)
>>> +#define slub_local_irq_restore(flags)	local_irq_restore(flags)
>>
>> Note these won't be neccessary anymore after
>> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20220823170400.26546-6-vbabka@suse.cz/T/#u
> 
> Okay, let me postpone that one and rebase what is left on top.
> 
>>> @@ -482,7 +488,7 @@ static inline bool __cmpxchg_double_slab(struct kmem_cache *s, struct slab *slab
>>>   		void *freelist_new, unsigned long counters_new,
>>>   		const char *n)
>>>   {
>>> -	if (!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT))
>>> +	if (use_lockless_fast_path())
>>>   		lockdep_assert_irqs_disabled();
>>
>> This test would stay after the patch I referenced above. But while this
>> change will keep testing the technically correct thing, the name would be
>> IMHO misleading here, as this is semantically not about the lockless fast
>> path, but whether we need to have irqs disabled to avoid a deadlock due to
>> irq incoming when we hold the bit_spin_lock() and its handler trying to
>> acquire it as well.
> 
> Color me confused. Memory is never allocated in-IRQ context on
> PREEMPT_RT. Therefore I don't understand why interrupts must be disabled
> for the fast path (unless that comment only applied to !RT).

Yes that only applied to !RT. Hence why the assert is there only for !RT.

> It could be about preemption since spinlock, local_lock don't disable
> preemption and so another allocation on the same CPU is possible. But
> then you say "we hold the bit_spin_lock()" and this one disables
> preemption. This means nothing can stop the bit_spin_lock() owner from
> making progress and since there is no memory allocation in-IRQ, we can't
> block on the same bit_spin_lock() on the same CPU.

Yeah, realizing that this is true on RT led to the recent patch I 
referenced. Initially when converting SLUB to RT last year I didn't 
realize this detail, and instead replaced the irq disabling done (only 
on !RT) by e.g. local_lock_irqsave with the manual local_irq_save().

> Sebastian


  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-24 13:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-17 16:26 [PATCH 0/9] Replace PREEMPT_RT ifdefs with preempt_[dis|en]able_nested() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-17 16:26 ` [PATCH 1/9] slub: Make PREEMPT_RT support less convoluted Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-18  9:42   ` Christoph Lameter
2022-08-18 14:37     ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-08-18 15:22       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-19 15:04       ` Christoph Lameter
2022-08-25  5:15         ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-08-18 17:34   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-08-23 17:15   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-08-24 13:25     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-24 13:54       ` Vlastimil Babka [this message]
2022-08-24 13:57         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-17 16:26 ` [PATCH 2/9] preempt: Provide preempt_[dis|en]able_nested() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-17 16:26 ` [PATCH 3/9] dentry: Use preempt_[dis|en]able_nested() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-17 16:26 ` [PATCH 4/9] mm/vmstat: " Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-17 16:26 ` [PATCH 5/9] mm/debug: Provide VM_WARN_ON_IRQS_ENABLED() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-17 16:27 ` [PATCH 6/9] mm/memcontrol: Replace the PREEMPT_RT conditionals Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-17 16:27   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-17 16:59   ` Johannes Weiner
2022-08-17 16:59     ` Johannes Weiner
2022-08-18  2:45   ` Muchun Song
2022-08-18  2:45     ` Muchun Song
2022-08-17 16:27 ` [PATCH 7/9] mm/compaction: Get rid of RT ifdeffery Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-18  8:55   ` Rasmus Villemoes
2022-08-18 15:51     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-24 13:50     ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-08-17 16:27 ` [PATCH 8/9] u64_stats: Streamline the implementation Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-17 16:27 ` [PATCH 9/9] u64_stat: Remove the obsolete fetch_irq() variants Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-17 18:27   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-08-18 15:27     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-18 16:02       ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-08-18 16:59         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-18 17:45           ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-08-22 15:17             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-22 18:05               ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-08-25 16:45                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-08-25 17:30                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-08-18  8:20 ` [PATCH 0/9] Replace PREEMPT_RT ifdefs with preempt_[dis|en]able_nested() Peter Zijlstra
2022-08-18 17:41 ` Linus Torvalds

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