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From: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
To: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	DRI Development <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>
Cc: "Rob Clark" <robdclark@chromium.org>,
	"Daniel Stone" <daniels@collabora.com>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
	"Intel Graphics Development" <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Kevin Wang" <kevin1.wang@amd.com>,
	linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org,
	"Luben Tuikov" <luben.tuikov@amd.com>,
	"Kristian H . Kristensen" <hoegsberg@google.com>,
	"Chen Li" <chenli@uniontech.com>,
	"Alex Deucher" <alexander.deucher@amd.com>,
	mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org,
	"Michel Dänzer" <michel@daenzer.net>,
	"Dennis Li" <Dennis.Li@amd.com>,
	"Deepak R Varma" <mh12gx2825@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/15] dma-buf: Document dma-buf implicit fencing/resv fencing rules
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 10:41:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ec1a0d01-f425-12b7-1a37-4b411064a677@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210622165511.3169559-4-daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>

Am 22.06.21 um 18:54 schrieb Daniel Vetter:
> Docs for struct dma_resv are fairly clear:
>
> "A reservation object can have attached one exclusive fence (normally
> associated with write operations) or N shared fences (read
> operations)."
>
> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdri.freedesktop.org%2Fdocs%2Fdrm%2Fdriver-api%2Fdma-buf.html%23reservation-objects&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cchristian.koenig%40amd.com%7C42d8c70b62084a846e9508d9359e8629%7C3dd8961fe4884e608e11a82d994e183d%7C0%7C0%7C637599777264104449%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=rcd4i0VpK3BhwFLzsxd66OhshdJJh3yhRo2MOqlCEBo%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> Furthermore a review across all of upstream.
>
> First of render drivers and how they set implicit fences:
>
> - nouveau follows this contract, see in validate_fini_no_ticket()
>
> 			nouveau_bo_fence(nvbo, fence, !!b->write_domains);
>
>    and that last boolean controls whether the exclusive or shared fence
>    slot is used.
>
> - radeon follows this contract by setting
>
> 		p->relocs[i].tv.num_shared = !r->write_domain;
>
>    in radeon_cs_parser_relocs(), which ensures that the call to
>    ttm_eu_fence_buffer_objects() in radeon_cs_parser_fini() will do the
>    right thing.
>
> - vmwgfx seems to follow this contract with the shotgun approach of
>    always setting ttm_val_buf->num_shared = 0, which means
>    ttm_eu_fence_buffer_objects() will only use the exclusive slot.
>
> - etnaviv follows this contract, as can be trivially seen by looking
>    at submit_attach_object_fences()
>
> - i915 is a bit a convoluted maze with multiple paths leading to
>    i915_vma_move_to_active(). Which sets the exclusive flag if
>    EXEC_OBJECT_WRITE is set. This can either come as a buffer flag for
>    softpin mode, or through the write_domain when using relocations. It
>    follows this contract.
>
> - lima follows this contract, see lima_gem_submit() which sets the
>    exclusive fence when the LIMA_SUBMIT_BO_WRITE flag is set for that
>    bo
>
> - msm follows this contract, see msm_gpu_submit() which sets the
>    exclusive flag when the MSM_SUBMIT_BO_WRITE is set for that buffer
>
> - panfrost follows this contract with the shotgun approach of just
>    always setting the exclusive fence, see
>    panfrost_attach_object_fences(). Benefits of a single engine I guess
>
> - v3d follows this contract with the same shotgun approach in
>    v3d_attach_fences_and_unlock_reservation(), but it has at least an
>    XXX comment that maybe this should be improved
>
> - v4c uses the same shotgun approach of always setting an exclusive
>    fence, see vc4_update_bo_seqnos()
>
> - vgem also follows this contract, see vgem_fence_attach_ioctl() and
>    the VGEM_FENCE_WRITE. This is used in some igts to validate prime
>    sharing with i915.ko without the need of a 2nd gpu
>
> - vritio follows this contract again with the shotgun approach of
>    always setting an exclusive fence, see virtio_gpu_array_add_fence()
>
> This covers the setting of the exclusive fences when writing.
>
> Synchronizing against the exclusive fence is a lot more tricky, and I
> only spot checked a few:
>
> - i915 does it, with the optional EXEC_OBJECT_ASYNC to skip all
>    implicit dependencies (which is used by vulkan)
>
> - etnaviv does this. Implicit dependencies are collected in
>    submit_fence_sync(), again with an opt-out flag
>    ETNA_SUBMIT_NO_IMPLICIT. These are then picked up in
>    etnaviv_sched_dependency which is the
>    drm_sched_backend_ops->dependency callback.
>
> - v4c seems to not do much here, maybe gets away with it by not having
>    a scheduler and only a single engine. Since all newer broadcom chips than
>    the OG vc4 use v3d for rendering, which follows this contract, the
>    impact of this issue is fairly small.
>
> - v3d does this using the drm_gem_fence_array_add_implicit() helper,
>    which then it's drm_sched_backend_ops->dependency callback
>    v3d_job_dependency() picks up.
>
> - panfrost is nice here and tracks the implicit fences in
>    panfrost_job->implicit_fences, which again the
>    drm_sched_backend_ops->dependency callback panfrost_job_dependency()
>    picks up. It is mildly questionable though since it only picks up
>    exclusive fences in panfrost_acquire_object_fences(), but not buggy
>    in practice because it also always sets the exclusive fence. It
>    should pick up both sets of fences, just in case there's ever going
>    to be a 2nd gpu in a SoC with a mali gpu. Or maybe a mali SoC with a
>    pcie port and a real gpu, which might actually happen eventually. A
>    bug, but easy to fix. Should probably use the
>    drm_gem_fence_array_add_implicit() helper.
>
> - lima is nice an easy, uses drm_gem_fence_array_add_implicit() and
>    the same schema as v3d.
>
> - msm is mildly entertaining. It also supports MSM_SUBMIT_NO_IMPLICIT,
>    but because it doesn't use the drm/scheduler it handles fences from
>    the wrong context with a synchronous dma_fence_wait. See
>    submit_fence_sync() leading to msm_gem_sync_object(). Investing into
>    a scheduler might be a good idea.
>
> - all the remaining drivers are ttm based, where I hope they do
>    appropriately obey implicit fences already. I didn't do the full
>    audit there because a) not follow the contract would confuse ttm
>    quite well and b) reading non-standard scheduler and submit code
>    which isn't based on drm/scheduler is a pain.
>
> Onwards to the display side.
>
> - Any driver using the drm_gem_plane_helper_prepare_fb() helper will
>    correctly. Overwhelmingly most drivers get this right, except a few
>    totally dont. I'll follow up with a patch to make this the default
>    and avoid a bunch of bugs.
>
> - I didn't audit the ttm drivers, but given that dma_resv started
>    there I hope they get this right.
>
> In conclusion this IS the contract, both as documented and
> overwhelmingly implemented, specically as implemented by all render
> drivers except amdgpu.
>
> Amdgpu tried to fix this already in
>
> commit 049aca4363d8af87cab8d53de5401602db3b9999
> Author: Christian König <christian.koenig@amd.com>
> Date:   Wed Sep 19 16:54:35 2018 +0200
>
>      drm/amdgpu: fix using shared fence for exported BOs v2
>
> but this fix falls short on a number of areas:
>
> - It's racy, by the time the buffer is shared it might be too late. To
>    make sure there's definitely never a problem we need to set the
>    fences correctly for any buffer that's potentially exportable.
>
> - It's breaking uapi, dma-buf fds support poll() and differentitiate
>    between, which was introduced in
>
> 	commit 9b495a5887994a6d74d5c261d012083a92b94738
> 	Author: Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@canonical.com>
> 	Date:   Tue Jul 1 12:57:43 2014 +0200
>
> 	    dma-buf: add poll support, v3
>
> - Christian König wants to nack new uapi building further on this
>    dma_resv contract because it breaks amdgpu, quoting
>
>    "Yeah, and that is exactly the reason why I will NAK this uAPI change.
>
>    "This doesn't works for amdgpu at all for the reasons outlined above."
>
>    https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flore.kernel.org%2Fdri-devel%2Ff2eb6751-2f82-9b23-f57e-548de5b729de%40gmail.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cchristian.koenig%40amd.com%7C42d8c70b62084a846e9508d9359e8629%7C3dd8961fe4884e608e11a82d994e183d%7C0%7C0%7C637599777264114436%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=CboicEqZau1%2FlEgEM3w4Ye2Nq6wULjePIehxaMqW3Fg%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
>    Rejecting new development because your own driver is broken and
>    violates established cross driver contracts and uapi is really not
>    how upstream works.
>
> Now this patch will have a severe performance impact on anything that
> runs on multiple engines. So we can't just merge it outright, but need
> a bit a plan:
>
> - amdgpu needs a proper uapi for handling implicit fencing. The funny
>    thing is that to do it correctly, implicit fencing must be treated
>    as a very strange IPC mechanism for transporting fences, where both
>    setting the fence and dependency intercepts must be handled
>    explicitly. Current best practices is a per-bo flag to indicate
>    writes, and a per-bo flag to to skip implicit fencing in the CS
>    ioctl as a new chunk.
>
> - Since amdgpu has been shipping with broken behaviour we need an
>    opt-out flag from the butchered implicit fencing model to enable the
>    proper explicit implicit fencing model.
>
> - for kernel memory fences due to bo moves at least the i915 idea is
>    to use ttm_bo->moving. amdgpu probably needs the same.
>
> - since the current p2p dma-buf interface assumes the kernel memory
>    fence is in the exclusive dma_resv fence slot we need to add a new
>    fence slot for kernel fences, which must never be ignored. Since
>    currently only amdgpu supports this there's no real problem here
>    yet, until amdgpu gains a NO_IMPLICIT CS flag.
>
> - New userspace needs to ship in enough desktop distros so that users
>    wont notice the perf impact. I think we can ignore LTS distros who
>    upgrade their kernels but not their mesa3d snapshot.
>
> - Then when this is all in place we can merge this patch here.
>
> What is not a solution to this problem here is trying to make the
> dma_resv rules in the kernel more clever. The fundamental issue here
> is that the amdgpu CS uapi is the least expressive one across all
> drivers (only equalled by panfrost, which has an actual excuse) by not
> allowing any userspace control over how implicit sync is conducted.
>
> Until this is fixed it's completely pointless to make the kernel more
> clever to improve amdgpu, because all we're doing is papering over
> this uapi design issue. amdgpu needs to attain the status quo
> established by other drivers first, once that's achieved we can tackle
> the remaining issues in a consistent way across drivers.
>
> v2: Bas pointed me at AMDGPU_GEM_CREATE_EXPLICIT_SYNC, which I
> entirely missed.
>
> This is great because it means the amdgpu specific piece for proper
> implicit fence handling exists already, and that since a while. The
> only thing that's now missing is
> - fishing the implicit fences out of a shared object at the right time
> - setting the exclusive implicit fence slot at the right time.
>
> Jason has a patch series to fill that gap with a bunch of generic
> ioctl on the dma-buf fd:
>
> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flore.kernel.org%2Fdri-devel%2F20210520190007.534046-1-jason%40jlekstrand.net%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cchristian.koenig%40amd.com%7C42d8c70b62084a846e9508d9359e8629%7C3dd8961fe4884e608e11a82d994e183d%7C0%7C0%7C637599777264114436%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=%2FXL98%2F2%2F1GZOICxCTPTzfIvcSm144vPBjUDM29aeyF8%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> v3: Since Christian has fixed amdgpu now in
>
> commit 8c505bdc9c8b955223b054e34a0be9c3d841cd20 (drm-misc/drm-misc-next)
> Author: Christian König <christian.koenig@amd.com>
> Date:   Wed Jun 9 13:51:36 2021 +0200
>
>      drm/amdgpu: rework dma_resv handling v3
>
> Use the audit covered in this commit message as the excuse to update
> the dma-buf docs around dma_buf.resv usage across drivers.
>
> Since dynamic importers have different rules also hammer these in
> again while we're at it.
>
> Cc: mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org
> Cc: Bas Nieuwenhuizen <bas@basnieuwenhuizen.nl>
> Cc: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>
> Cc: Rob Clark <robdclark@chromium.org>
> Cc: Kristian H. Kristensen <hoegsberg@google.com>
> Cc: Michel Dänzer <michel@daenzer.net>
> Cc: Daniel Stone <daniels@collabora.com>
> Cc: Sumit Semwal <sumit.semwal@linaro.org>
> Cc: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
> Cc: Alex Deucher <alexander.deucher@amd.com>
> Cc: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>
> Cc: Deepak R Varma <mh12gx2825@gmail.com>
> Cc: Chen Li <chenli@uniontech.com>
> Cc: Kevin Wang <kevin1.wang@amd.com>
> Cc: Dennis Li <Dennis.Li@amd.com>
> Cc: Luben Tuikov <luben.tuikov@amd.com>
> Cc: linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org
> Signed-off-by: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@intel.com>

Reviewed-by: Christian König <christian.koenig@amd.com>

> ---
>   include/linux/dma-buf.h | 39 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>   1 file changed, 39 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/include/linux/dma-buf.h b/include/linux/dma-buf.h
> index 6d18b9e448b9..4807cefe81f5 100644
> --- a/include/linux/dma-buf.h
> +++ b/include/linux/dma-buf.h
> @@ -388,6 +388,45 @@ struct dma_buf {
>   	 * @resv:
>   	 *
>   	 * Reservation object linked to this dma-buf.
> +	 *
> +	 * IMPLICIT SYNCHRONIZATION RULES:
> +	 *
> +	 * Drivers which support implicit synchronization of buffer access as
> +	 * e.g. exposed in `Implicit Fence Poll Support`_ should follow the
> +	 * below rules.
> +	 *
> +	 * - Drivers should add a shared fence through
> +	 *   dma_resv_add_shared_fence() for anything the userspace API
> +	 *   considers a read access. This highly depends upon the API and
> +	 *   window system: E.g. OpenGL is generally implicitly synchronized on
> +	 *   Linux, but explicitly synchronized on Android. Whereas Vulkan is
> +	 *   generally explicitly synchronized for everything, and window system
> +	 *   buffers have explicit API calls (which then need to make sure the
> +	 *   implicit fences store here in @resv are updated correctly).
> +	 *
> +	 * - Similarly drivers should set the exclusive fence through
> +	 *   dma_resv_add_excl_fence() for anything the userspace API considers
> +	 *   write access.
> +	 *
> +	 * - Drivers may just always set the exclusive fence, since that only
> +	 *   causes unecessarily synchronization, but no correctness issues.
> +	 *
> +	 * - Some drivers only expose a synchronous userspace API with no
> +	 *   pipelining across drivers. These do not set any fences for their
> +	 *   access. An example here is v4l.
> +	 *
> +	 * DYNAMIC IMPORTER RULES:
> +	 *
> +	 * Dynamic importers, see dma_buf_attachment_is_dynamic(), have
> +	 * additional constraints on how they set up fences:
> +	 *
> +	 * - Dynamic importers must obey the exclusive fence and wait for it to
> +	 *   signal before allowing access to the buffer's underlying storage
> +	 *   through.
> +	 *
> +	 * - Dynamic importers should set fences for any access that they can't
> +	 *   disable immediately from their @dma_buf_attach_ops.move_notify
> +	 *   callback.
>   	 */
>   	struct dma_resv *resv;
>   


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
To: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	DRI Development <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>
Cc: "Rob Clark" <robdclark@chromium.org>,
	"Daniel Stone" <daniels@collabora.com>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
	"Intel Graphics Development" <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Kevin Wang" <kevin1.wang@amd.com>,
	"Sumit Semwal" <sumit.semwal@linaro.org>,
	linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org,
	"Luben Tuikov" <luben.tuikov@amd.com>,
	"Kristian H . Kristensen" <hoegsberg@google.com>,
	"Chen Li" <chenli@uniontech.com>,
	"Bas Nieuwenhuizen" <bas@basnieuwenhuizen.nl>,
	"Alex Deucher" <alexander.deucher@amd.com>,
	mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org,
	"Michel Dänzer" <michel@daenzer.net>,
	"Dennis Li" <Dennis.Li@amd.com>,
	"Deepak R Varma" <mh12gx2825@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Intel-gfx] [PATCH 03/15] dma-buf: Document dma-buf implicit fencing/resv fencing rules
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 10:41:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ec1a0d01-f425-12b7-1a37-4b411064a677@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210622165511.3169559-4-daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>

Am 22.06.21 um 18:54 schrieb Daniel Vetter:
> Docs for struct dma_resv are fairly clear:
>
> "A reservation object can have attached one exclusive fence (normally
> associated with write operations) or N shared fences (read
> operations)."
>
> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdri.freedesktop.org%2Fdocs%2Fdrm%2Fdriver-api%2Fdma-buf.html%23reservation-objects&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cchristian.koenig%40amd.com%7C42d8c70b62084a846e9508d9359e8629%7C3dd8961fe4884e608e11a82d994e183d%7C0%7C0%7C637599777264104449%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=rcd4i0VpK3BhwFLzsxd66OhshdJJh3yhRo2MOqlCEBo%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> Furthermore a review across all of upstream.
>
> First of render drivers and how they set implicit fences:
>
> - nouveau follows this contract, see in validate_fini_no_ticket()
>
> 			nouveau_bo_fence(nvbo, fence, !!b->write_domains);
>
>    and that last boolean controls whether the exclusive or shared fence
>    slot is used.
>
> - radeon follows this contract by setting
>
> 		p->relocs[i].tv.num_shared = !r->write_domain;
>
>    in radeon_cs_parser_relocs(), which ensures that the call to
>    ttm_eu_fence_buffer_objects() in radeon_cs_parser_fini() will do the
>    right thing.
>
> - vmwgfx seems to follow this contract with the shotgun approach of
>    always setting ttm_val_buf->num_shared = 0, which means
>    ttm_eu_fence_buffer_objects() will only use the exclusive slot.
>
> - etnaviv follows this contract, as can be trivially seen by looking
>    at submit_attach_object_fences()
>
> - i915 is a bit a convoluted maze with multiple paths leading to
>    i915_vma_move_to_active(). Which sets the exclusive flag if
>    EXEC_OBJECT_WRITE is set. This can either come as a buffer flag for
>    softpin mode, or through the write_domain when using relocations. It
>    follows this contract.
>
> - lima follows this contract, see lima_gem_submit() which sets the
>    exclusive fence when the LIMA_SUBMIT_BO_WRITE flag is set for that
>    bo
>
> - msm follows this contract, see msm_gpu_submit() which sets the
>    exclusive flag when the MSM_SUBMIT_BO_WRITE is set for that buffer
>
> - panfrost follows this contract with the shotgun approach of just
>    always setting the exclusive fence, see
>    panfrost_attach_object_fences(). Benefits of a single engine I guess
>
> - v3d follows this contract with the same shotgun approach in
>    v3d_attach_fences_and_unlock_reservation(), but it has at least an
>    XXX comment that maybe this should be improved
>
> - v4c uses the same shotgun approach of always setting an exclusive
>    fence, see vc4_update_bo_seqnos()
>
> - vgem also follows this contract, see vgem_fence_attach_ioctl() and
>    the VGEM_FENCE_WRITE. This is used in some igts to validate prime
>    sharing with i915.ko without the need of a 2nd gpu
>
> - vritio follows this contract again with the shotgun approach of
>    always setting an exclusive fence, see virtio_gpu_array_add_fence()
>
> This covers the setting of the exclusive fences when writing.
>
> Synchronizing against the exclusive fence is a lot more tricky, and I
> only spot checked a few:
>
> - i915 does it, with the optional EXEC_OBJECT_ASYNC to skip all
>    implicit dependencies (which is used by vulkan)
>
> - etnaviv does this. Implicit dependencies are collected in
>    submit_fence_sync(), again with an opt-out flag
>    ETNA_SUBMIT_NO_IMPLICIT. These are then picked up in
>    etnaviv_sched_dependency which is the
>    drm_sched_backend_ops->dependency callback.
>
> - v4c seems to not do much here, maybe gets away with it by not having
>    a scheduler and only a single engine. Since all newer broadcom chips than
>    the OG vc4 use v3d for rendering, which follows this contract, the
>    impact of this issue is fairly small.
>
> - v3d does this using the drm_gem_fence_array_add_implicit() helper,
>    which then it's drm_sched_backend_ops->dependency callback
>    v3d_job_dependency() picks up.
>
> - panfrost is nice here and tracks the implicit fences in
>    panfrost_job->implicit_fences, which again the
>    drm_sched_backend_ops->dependency callback panfrost_job_dependency()
>    picks up. It is mildly questionable though since it only picks up
>    exclusive fences in panfrost_acquire_object_fences(), but not buggy
>    in practice because it also always sets the exclusive fence. It
>    should pick up both sets of fences, just in case there's ever going
>    to be a 2nd gpu in a SoC with a mali gpu. Or maybe a mali SoC with a
>    pcie port and a real gpu, which might actually happen eventually. A
>    bug, but easy to fix. Should probably use the
>    drm_gem_fence_array_add_implicit() helper.
>
> - lima is nice an easy, uses drm_gem_fence_array_add_implicit() and
>    the same schema as v3d.
>
> - msm is mildly entertaining. It also supports MSM_SUBMIT_NO_IMPLICIT,
>    but because it doesn't use the drm/scheduler it handles fences from
>    the wrong context with a synchronous dma_fence_wait. See
>    submit_fence_sync() leading to msm_gem_sync_object(). Investing into
>    a scheduler might be a good idea.
>
> - all the remaining drivers are ttm based, where I hope they do
>    appropriately obey implicit fences already. I didn't do the full
>    audit there because a) not follow the contract would confuse ttm
>    quite well and b) reading non-standard scheduler and submit code
>    which isn't based on drm/scheduler is a pain.
>
> Onwards to the display side.
>
> - Any driver using the drm_gem_plane_helper_prepare_fb() helper will
>    correctly. Overwhelmingly most drivers get this right, except a few
>    totally dont. I'll follow up with a patch to make this the default
>    and avoid a bunch of bugs.
>
> - I didn't audit the ttm drivers, but given that dma_resv started
>    there I hope they get this right.
>
> In conclusion this IS the contract, both as documented and
> overwhelmingly implemented, specically as implemented by all render
> drivers except amdgpu.
>
> Amdgpu tried to fix this already in
>
> commit 049aca4363d8af87cab8d53de5401602db3b9999
> Author: Christian König <christian.koenig@amd.com>
> Date:   Wed Sep 19 16:54:35 2018 +0200
>
>      drm/amdgpu: fix using shared fence for exported BOs v2
>
> but this fix falls short on a number of areas:
>
> - It's racy, by the time the buffer is shared it might be too late. To
>    make sure there's definitely never a problem we need to set the
>    fences correctly for any buffer that's potentially exportable.
>
> - It's breaking uapi, dma-buf fds support poll() and differentitiate
>    between, which was introduced in
>
> 	commit 9b495a5887994a6d74d5c261d012083a92b94738
> 	Author: Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@canonical.com>
> 	Date:   Tue Jul 1 12:57:43 2014 +0200
>
> 	    dma-buf: add poll support, v3
>
> - Christian König wants to nack new uapi building further on this
>    dma_resv contract because it breaks amdgpu, quoting
>
>    "Yeah, and that is exactly the reason why I will NAK this uAPI change.
>
>    "This doesn't works for amdgpu at all for the reasons outlined above."
>
>    https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flore.kernel.org%2Fdri-devel%2Ff2eb6751-2f82-9b23-f57e-548de5b729de%40gmail.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cchristian.koenig%40amd.com%7C42d8c70b62084a846e9508d9359e8629%7C3dd8961fe4884e608e11a82d994e183d%7C0%7C0%7C637599777264114436%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=CboicEqZau1%2FlEgEM3w4Ye2Nq6wULjePIehxaMqW3Fg%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
>    Rejecting new development because your own driver is broken and
>    violates established cross driver contracts and uapi is really not
>    how upstream works.
>
> Now this patch will have a severe performance impact on anything that
> runs on multiple engines. So we can't just merge it outright, but need
> a bit a plan:
>
> - amdgpu needs a proper uapi for handling implicit fencing. The funny
>    thing is that to do it correctly, implicit fencing must be treated
>    as a very strange IPC mechanism for transporting fences, where both
>    setting the fence and dependency intercepts must be handled
>    explicitly. Current best practices is a per-bo flag to indicate
>    writes, and a per-bo flag to to skip implicit fencing in the CS
>    ioctl as a new chunk.
>
> - Since amdgpu has been shipping with broken behaviour we need an
>    opt-out flag from the butchered implicit fencing model to enable the
>    proper explicit implicit fencing model.
>
> - for kernel memory fences due to bo moves at least the i915 idea is
>    to use ttm_bo->moving. amdgpu probably needs the same.
>
> - since the current p2p dma-buf interface assumes the kernel memory
>    fence is in the exclusive dma_resv fence slot we need to add a new
>    fence slot for kernel fences, which must never be ignored. Since
>    currently only amdgpu supports this there's no real problem here
>    yet, until amdgpu gains a NO_IMPLICIT CS flag.
>
> - New userspace needs to ship in enough desktop distros so that users
>    wont notice the perf impact. I think we can ignore LTS distros who
>    upgrade their kernels but not their mesa3d snapshot.
>
> - Then when this is all in place we can merge this patch here.
>
> What is not a solution to this problem here is trying to make the
> dma_resv rules in the kernel more clever. The fundamental issue here
> is that the amdgpu CS uapi is the least expressive one across all
> drivers (only equalled by panfrost, which has an actual excuse) by not
> allowing any userspace control over how implicit sync is conducted.
>
> Until this is fixed it's completely pointless to make the kernel more
> clever to improve amdgpu, because all we're doing is papering over
> this uapi design issue. amdgpu needs to attain the status quo
> established by other drivers first, once that's achieved we can tackle
> the remaining issues in a consistent way across drivers.
>
> v2: Bas pointed me at AMDGPU_GEM_CREATE_EXPLICIT_SYNC, which I
> entirely missed.
>
> This is great because it means the amdgpu specific piece for proper
> implicit fence handling exists already, and that since a while. The
> only thing that's now missing is
> - fishing the implicit fences out of a shared object at the right time
> - setting the exclusive implicit fence slot at the right time.
>
> Jason has a patch series to fill that gap with a bunch of generic
> ioctl on the dma-buf fd:
>
> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flore.kernel.org%2Fdri-devel%2F20210520190007.534046-1-jason%40jlekstrand.net%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cchristian.koenig%40amd.com%7C42d8c70b62084a846e9508d9359e8629%7C3dd8961fe4884e608e11a82d994e183d%7C0%7C0%7C637599777264114436%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=%2FXL98%2F2%2F1GZOICxCTPTzfIvcSm144vPBjUDM29aeyF8%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> v3: Since Christian has fixed amdgpu now in
>
> commit 8c505bdc9c8b955223b054e34a0be9c3d841cd20 (drm-misc/drm-misc-next)
> Author: Christian König <christian.koenig@amd.com>
> Date:   Wed Jun 9 13:51:36 2021 +0200
>
>      drm/amdgpu: rework dma_resv handling v3
>
> Use the audit covered in this commit message as the excuse to update
> the dma-buf docs around dma_buf.resv usage across drivers.
>
> Since dynamic importers have different rules also hammer these in
> again while we're at it.
>
> Cc: mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org
> Cc: Bas Nieuwenhuizen <bas@basnieuwenhuizen.nl>
> Cc: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>
> Cc: Rob Clark <robdclark@chromium.org>
> Cc: Kristian H. Kristensen <hoegsberg@google.com>
> Cc: Michel Dänzer <michel@daenzer.net>
> Cc: Daniel Stone <daniels@collabora.com>
> Cc: Sumit Semwal <sumit.semwal@linaro.org>
> Cc: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
> Cc: Alex Deucher <alexander.deucher@amd.com>
> Cc: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>
> Cc: Deepak R Varma <mh12gx2825@gmail.com>
> Cc: Chen Li <chenli@uniontech.com>
> Cc: Kevin Wang <kevin1.wang@amd.com>
> Cc: Dennis Li <Dennis.Li@amd.com>
> Cc: Luben Tuikov <luben.tuikov@amd.com>
> Cc: linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org
> Signed-off-by: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@intel.com>

Reviewed-by: Christian König <christian.koenig@amd.com>

> ---
>   include/linux/dma-buf.h | 39 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>   1 file changed, 39 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/include/linux/dma-buf.h b/include/linux/dma-buf.h
> index 6d18b9e448b9..4807cefe81f5 100644
> --- a/include/linux/dma-buf.h
> +++ b/include/linux/dma-buf.h
> @@ -388,6 +388,45 @@ struct dma_buf {
>   	 * @resv:
>   	 *
>   	 * Reservation object linked to this dma-buf.
> +	 *
> +	 * IMPLICIT SYNCHRONIZATION RULES:
> +	 *
> +	 * Drivers which support implicit synchronization of buffer access as
> +	 * e.g. exposed in `Implicit Fence Poll Support`_ should follow the
> +	 * below rules.
> +	 *
> +	 * - Drivers should add a shared fence through
> +	 *   dma_resv_add_shared_fence() for anything the userspace API
> +	 *   considers a read access. This highly depends upon the API and
> +	 *   window system: E.g. OpenGL is generally implicitly synchronized on
> +	 *   Linux, but explicitly synchronized on Android. Whereas Vulkan is
> +	 *   generally explicitly synchronized for everything, and window system
> +	 *   buffers have explicit API calls (which then need to make sure the
> +	 *   implicit fences store here in @resv are updated correctly).
> +	 *
> +	 * - Similarly drivers should set the exclusive fence through
> +	 *   dma_resv_add_excl_fence() for anything the userspace API considers
> +	 *   write access.
> +	 *
> +	 * - Drivers may just always set the exclusive fence, since that only
> +	 *   causes unecessarily synchronization, but no correctness issues.
> +	 *
> +	 * - Some drivers only expose a synchronous userspace API with no
> +	 *   pipelining across drivers. These do not set any fences for their
> +	 *   access. An example here is v4l.
> +	 *
> +	 * DYNAMIC IMPORTER RULES:
> +	 *
> +	 * Dynamic importers, see dma_buf_attachment_is_dynamic(), have
> +	 * additional constraints on how they set up fences:
> +	 *
> +	 * - Dynamic importers must obey the exclusive fence and wait for it to
> +	 *   signal before allowing access to the buffer's underlying storage
> +	 *   through.
> +	 *
> +	 * - Dynamic importers should set fences for any access that they can't
> +	 *   disable immediately from their @dma_buf_attach_ops.move_notify
> +	 *   callback.
>   	 */
>   	struct dma_resv *resv;
>   

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2021-06-22 16:54 [PATCH 00/15] implicit fencing/dma-resv rules for shared buffers Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:54 ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:54 ` [PATCH 01/15] dma-resv: Fix kerneldoc Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:54   ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:54   ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 18:19   ` Alex Deucher
2021-06-22 18:19     ` [Intel-gfx] " Alex Deucher
2021-06-22 18:19     ` Alex Deucher
2021-06-22 18:49   ` Sam Ravnborg
2021-06-22 18:49     ` [Intel-gfx] " Sam Ravnborg
2021-06-22 19:19     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 19:19       ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 19:19       ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23  8:31   ` Christian König
2021-06-23  8:31     ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2021-06-23  8:31     ` Christian König
2021-06-23 15:15     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 15:15       ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 15:15       ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:54 ` [PATCH 02/15] dma-buf: Switch to inline kerneldoc Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:54   ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:54   ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 18:24   ` Alex Deucher
2021-06-22 18:24     ` [Intel-gfx] " Alex Deucher
2021-06-22 18:24     ` Alex Deucher
2021-06-22 19:01   ` Sam Ravnborg
2021-06-22 19:01     ` [Intel-gfx] " Sam Ravnborg
2021-06-22 19:21     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 19:21       ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 19:21       ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23  8:32   ` Christian König
2021-06-23  8:32     ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2021-06-23  8:32     ` Christian König
2021-06-23 16:17   ` [PATCH] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 16:17     ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 16:17     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 17:33     ` Sam Ravnborg
2021-06-23 17:33       ` [Intel-gfx] " Sam Ravnborg
2021-06-22 16:54 ` [PATCH 03/15] dma-buf: Document dma-buf implicit fencing/resv fencing rules Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:54   ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23  8:41   ` Christian König [this message]
2021-06-23  8:41     ` Christian König
2021-06-23 16:19   ` [PATCH] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 16:19     ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-24  6:59     ` Dave Airlie
2021-06-24  6:59       ` [Intel-gfx] " Dave Airlie
2021-06-24 11:08     ` [Mesa-dev] " Daniel Stone
2021-06-24 11:08       ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Stone
2021-06-24 11:23       ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-24 11:23         ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-24 12:48     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-24 12:52     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55 ` [PATCH 04/15] drm/panfrost: Shrink sched_lock Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55   ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 16:52   ` Boris Brezillon
2021-06-23 16:52     ` [Intel-gfx] " Boris Brezillon
2021-06-22 16:55 ` [PATCH 05/15] drm/panfrost: Use xarray and helpers for depedency tracking Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55   ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55   ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 16:51   ` Boris Brezillon
2021-06-23 16:51     ` [Intel-gfx] " Boris Brezillon
2021-06-23 16:51     ` Boris Brezillon
2021-06-22 16:55 ` [PATCH 06/15] drm/panfrost: Fix implicit sync Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55   ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55   ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 16:47   ` Boris Brezillon
2021-06-23 16:47     ` [Intel-gfx] " Boris Brezillon
2021-06-23 16:47     ` Boris Brezillon
2021-06-23 19:17     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 19:17       ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 19:17       ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55 ` [PATCH 07/15] drm/atomic-helper: make drm_gem_plane_helper_prepare_fb the default Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55   ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 19:10   ` Sam Ravnborg
2021-06-22 19:10     ` [Intel-gfx] " Sam Ravnborg
2021-06-22 20:20     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 20:20       ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 15:39       ` Sam Ravnborg
2021-06-23 15:39         ` [Intel-gfx] " Sam Ravnborg
2021-06-23 16:22   ` [PATCH] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 16:22     ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55 ` [PATCH 08/15] drm/<driver>: drm_gem_plane_helper_prepare_fb is now " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55   ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55   ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55   ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55   ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55   ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55   ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-24  8:32   ` Philipp Zabel
2021-06-24  8:32     ` Philipp Zabel
2021-06-24  8:32     ` [Intel-gfx] " Philipp Zabel
2021-06-24  8:32     ` Philipp Zabel
2021-06-24  8:32     ` Philipp Zabel
2021-06-24  8:32     ` Philipp Zabel
2021-06-24  8:32     ` Philipp Zabel
2021-06-24  8:32     ` Philipp Zabel
2021-06-22 16:55 ` [PATCH 09/15] drm/armada: Remove prepare/cleanup_fb hooks Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55   ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-24 12:46   ` Maxime Ripard
2021-06-24 12:46     ` [Intel-gfx] " Maxime Ripard
2021-06-22 16:55 ` [PATCH 10/15] drm/vram-helpers: Create DRM_GEM_VRAM_PLANE_HELPER_FUNCS Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55   ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-24  7:38   ` Thomas Zimmermann
2021-06-24  7:38     ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Zimmermann
2021-06-24  7:46   ` Thomas Zimmermann
2021-06-24  7:46     ` [Intel-gfx] " Thomas Zimmermann
2021-06-24 13:39     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-24 13:39       ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55 ` [PATCH 11/15] drm/omap: Follow implicit fencing in prepare_fb Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55   ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55 ` [PATCH 12/15] drm/simple-helper: drm_gem_simple_display_pipe_prepare_fb as default Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55   ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 19:15   ` Sam Ravnborg
2021-06-22 19:15     ` [Intel-gfx] " Sam Ravnborg
2021-06-23 16:24   ` [PATCH] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 16:24     ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 17:34     ` Sam Ravnborg
2021-06-23 17:34       ` [Intel-gfx] " Sam Ravnborg
2021-06-22 16:55 ` [PATCH 13/15] drm/tiny: drm_gem_simple_display_pipe_prepare_fb is the default Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55   ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55   ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55   ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55 ` [PATCH 14/15] drm/gem: Tiny kernel clarification for drm_gem_fence_array_add Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55   ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23  8:42   ` Christian König
2021-06-23  8:42     ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2021-06-24 12:41     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-24 12:41       ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-24 12:48       ` Christian König
2021-06-24 12:48         ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2021-06-24 13:32         ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-24 13:32           ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-24 13:35           ` Christian König
2021-06-24 13:35             ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2021-06-24 13:41             ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-24 13:41               ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-24 13:45               ` Christian König
2021-06-24 13:45                 ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2021-06-22 16:55 ` [PATCH 15/15] RFC: drm/amdgpu: Implement a proper implicit fencing uapi Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 16:55   ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-22 23:56   ` kernel test robot
2021-06-23  9:45   ` Bas Nieuwenhuizen
2021-06-23  9:45     ` [Intel-gfx] " Bas Nieuwenhuizen
2021-06-23 12:18     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 12:18       ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 12:59       ` Christian König
2021-06-23 12:59         ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2021-06-23 13:38         ` Bas Nieuwenhuizen
2021-06-23 13:38           ` [Intel-gfx] " Bas Nieuwenhuizen
2021-06-23 13:44           ` Christian König
2021-06-23 13:44             ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2021-06-23 13:49             ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 13:49               ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 14:02               ` Christian König
2021-06-23 14:02                 ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2021-06-23 14:50                 ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 14:50                   ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 14:58                   ` Bas Nieuwenhuizen
2021-06-23 14:58                     ` [Intel-gfx] " Bas Nieuwenhuizen
2021-06-23 15:03                     ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 15:03                       ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 15:07                       ` Christian König
2021-06-23 15:07                         ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2021-06-23 15:12                         ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 15:12                           ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23 15:15                           ` Christian König
2021-06-23 15:15                             ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2021-06-22 17:08 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.CHECKPATCH: warning for implicit fencing/dma-resv rules for shared buffers Patchwork
2021-06-22 17:11 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.SPARSE: " Patchwork
2021-06-22 17:38 ` [Intel-gfx] ✓ Fi.CI.BAT: success " Patchwork
2021-06-22 19:12 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.IGT: failure " Patchwork
2021-06-23 17:05 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.CHECKPATCH: warning for implicit fencing/dma-resv rules for shared buffers (rev5) Patchwork
2021-06-23 17:07 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.SPARSE: " Patchwork
2021-06-23 17:35 ` [Intel-gfx] ✓ Fi.CI.BAT: success " Patchwork
2021-06-23 21:04 ` [Intel-gfx] ✓ Fi.CI.IGT: " Patchwork

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