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From: Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>
To: "linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"daire@dneg.com" <daire@dneg.com>
Cc: "linux-cachefs@redhat.com" <linux-cachefs@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Adventures in NFS re-exporting
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 13:52:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ecd78fe32a1d5a3c6cf3c5a77b1841293b3f5cb1.camel@hammerspace.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1155061727.42788071.1600777874179.JavaMail.zimbra@dneg.com>

On Tue, 2020-09-22 at 13:31 +0100, Daire Byrne wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> I just thought I'd flesh out the other two issues I have found with
> re-exporting that are ultimately responsible for the biggest
> performance bottlenecks. And both of them revolve around the caching
> of metadata file lookups in the NFS client.
> 
> Especially for the case where we are re-exporting a server many
> milliseconds away (i.e. on-premise -> cloud), we want to be able to
> control how much the client caches metadata and file data so that
> it's many LAN clients all benefit from the re-export server only
> having to do the WAN lookups once (within a specified coherency
> time).
> 
> Keeping the file data in the vfs page cache or on disk using
> fscache/cachefiles is fairly straightforward, but keeping the
> metadata cached is particularly difficult. And without the cached
> metadata we introduce long delays before we can serve the already
> present and locally cached file data to many waiting clients.
> 
> ----- On 7 Sep, 2020, at 18:31, Daire Byrne daire@dneg.com wrote:
> > 2) If we cache metadata on the re-export server using
> > actimeo=3600,nocto we can
> > cut the network packets back to the origin server to zero for
> > repeated lookups.
> > However, if a client of the re-export server walks paths and memory
> > maps those
> > files (i.e. loading an application), the re-export server starts
> > issuing
> > unexpected calls back to the origin server again,
> > ignoring/invalidating the
> > re-export server's NFS client cache. We worked around this this by
> > patching an
> > inode/iversion validity check in inode.c so that the NFS client
> > cache on the
> > re-export server is used. I'm not sure about the correctness of
> > this patch but
> > it works for our corner case.
> 
> If we use actimeo=3600,nocto (say) to mount a remote software volume
> on the re-export server, we can successfully cache the loading of
> applications and walking of paths directly on the re-export server
> such that after a couple of runs, there are practically zero packets
> back to the originating NFS server (great!). But, if we then do the
> same thing on a client which is mounting that re-export server, the
> re-export server now starts issuing lots of calls back to the
> originating server and invalidating it's client cache (bad!).
> 
> I'm not exactly sure why, but the iversion of the inode gets changed
> locally (due to atime modification?) most likely via invocation of
> method inode_inc_iversion_raw. Each time it gets incremented the
> following call to validate attributes detects changes causing it to
> be reloaded from the originating server.
> 
> This patch helps to avoid this when applied to the re-export server
> but there may be other places where this happens too. I accept that
> this patch is probably not the right/general way to do this, but it
> helps to highlight the issue when re-exporting and it works well for
> our use case:
> 
> --- linux-5.5.0-1.el7.x86_64/fs/nfs/inode.c     2020-01-27
> 00:23:03.000000000 +0000
> +++ new/fs/nfs/inode.c  2020-02-13 16:32:09.013055074 +0000
> @@ -1869,7 +1869,7 @@
>  
>         /* More cache consistency checks */
>         if (fattr->valid & NFS_ATTR_FATTR_CHANGE) {
> -               if (!inode_eq_iversion_raw(inode, fattr-
> >change_attr)) {
> +               if (inode_peek_iversion_raw(inode) < fattr-
> >change_attr) {
>                         /* Could it be a race with writeback? */
>                         if (!(have_writers || have_delegation)) {
>                                 invalid |= NFS_INO_INVALID_DATA


There is nothing in the base NFSv4, and NFSv4.1 specs that allow you to
make assumptions about how the change attribute behaves over time.

The only safe way to do something like the above is if the server
supports NFSv4.2 and also advertises support for the 'change_attr_type'
attribute. In that case, you can check at mount time for whether or not
the change attribute on this filesystem is one of the monotonic types
which would allow the above optimisation.


-- 
Trond Myklebust
Linux NFS client maintainer, Hammerspace
trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com



  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-22 13:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-07 17:31 Adventures in NFS re-exporting Daire Byrne
2020-09-08  9:40 ` Mkrtchyan, Tigran
2020-09-08 11:06   ` Daire Byrne
2020-09-15 17:21 ` J. Bruce Fields
2020-09-15 19:59   ` Trond Myklebust
2020-09-16 16:01     ` Daire Byrne
2020-10-19 16:19       ` Daire Byrne
2020-10-19 17:53         ` [PATCH 0/2] Add NFSv3 emulation of the lookupp operation trondmy
2020-10-19 17:53           ` [PATCH 1/2] NFSv3: Refactor nfs3_proc_lookup() to split out the dentry trondmy
2020-10-19 17:53             ` [PATCH 2/2] NFSv3: Add emulation of the lookupp() operation trondmy
2020-10-19 20:05         ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Add NFSv3 emulation of the lookupp operation trondmy
2020-10-19 20:05           ` [PATCH v2 1/2] NFSv3: Refactor nfs3_proc_lookup() to split out the dentry trondmy
2020-10-19 20:05             ` [PATCH v2 2/2] NFSv3: Add emulation of the lookupp() operation trondmy
2020-10-20 18:37         ` [PATCH v3 0/3] Add NFSv3 emulation of the lookupp operation trondmy
2020-10-20 18:37           ` [PATCH v3 1/3] NFSv3: Refactor nfs3_proc_lookup() to split out the dentry trondmy
2020-10-20 18:37             ` [PATCH v3 2/3] NFSv3: Add emulation of the lookupp() operation trondmy
2020-10-20 18:37               ` [PATCH v3 3/3] NFSv4: Observe the NFS_MOUNT_SOFTREVAL flag in _nfs4_proc_lookupp trondmy
2020-10-21  9:33         ` Adventures in NFS re-exporting Daire Byrne
2020-11-09 16:02           ` bfields
2020-11-12 13:01             ` Daire Byrne
2020-11-12 13:57               ` bfields
2020-11-12 18:33                 ` Daire Byrne
2020-11-12 20:55                   ` bfields
2020-11-12 23:05                     ` Daire Byrne
2020-11-13 14:50                       ` bfields
2020-11-13 22:26                         ` bfields
2020-11-14 12:57                           ` Daire Byrne
2020-11-16 15:18                             ` bfields
2020-11-16 15:53                             ` bfields
2020-11-16 19:21                               ` Daire Byrne
2020-11-16 15:29                           ` Jeff Layton
2020-11-16 15:56                             ` bfields
2020-11-16 16:03                               ` Jeff Layton
2020-11-16 16:14                                 ` bfields
2020-11-16 16:38                                   ` Jeff Layton
2020-11-16 19:03                                     ` bfields
2020-11-16 20:03                                       ` Jeff Layton
2020-11-17  3:16                                         ` bfields
2020-11-17  3:18                                           ` [PATCH 1/4] nfsd: move fill_{pre,post}_wcc to nfsfh.c J. Bruce Fields
2020-11-17  3:18                                             ` [PATCH 2/4] nfsd: pre/post attr is using wrong change attribute J. Bruce Fields
2020-11-17 12:34                                               ` Jeff Layton
2020-11-17 15:26                                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2020-11-17 15:34                                                   ` Jeff Layton
2020-11-20 22:38                                                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2020-11-20 22:39                                                       ` [PATCH 1/8] nfsd: only call inode_query_iversion in the I_VERSION case J. Bruce Fields
2020-11-20 22:39                                                         ` [PATCH 2/8] nfsd: simplify nfsd4_change_info J. Bruce Fields
2020-11-20 22:39                                                         ` [PATCH 3/8] nfsd: minor nfsd4_change_attribute cleanup J. Bruce Fields
2020-11-21  0:34                                                           ` Jeff Layton
2020-11-20 22:39                                                         ` [PATCH 4/8] nfsd4: don't query change attribute in v2/v3 case J. Bruce Fields
2020-11-20 22:39                                                         ` [PATCH 5/8] nfs: use change attribute for NFS re-exports J. Bruce Fields
2020-11-20 22:39                                                         ` [PATCH 6/8] nfsd: move change attribute generation to filesystem J. Bruce Fields
2020-11-21  0:58                                                           ` Jeff Layton
2020-11-21  1:01                                                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2020-11-21 13:00                                                           ` Jeff Layton
2020-11-20 22:39                                                         ` [PATCH 7/8] nfsd: skip some unnecessary stats in the v4 case J. Bruce Fields
2020-11-20 22:39                                                         ` [PATCH 8/8] Revert "nfsd4: support change_attr_type attribute" J. Bruce Fields
2020-11-20 22:44                                                       ` [PATCH 2/4] nfsd: pre/post attr is using wrong change attribute J. Bruce Fields
2020-11-21  1:03                                                         ` Jeff Layton
2020-11-21 21:44                                                           ` Daire Byrne
2020-11-22  0:02                                                             ` bfields
2020-11-22  1:55                                                               ` Daire Byrne
2020-11-22  3:03                                                                 ` bfields
2020-11-23 20:07                                                                   ` Daire Byrne
2020-11-17 15:25                                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2020-11-17  3:18                                             ` [PATCH 3/4] nfs: don't mangle i_version on NFS J. Bruce Fields
2020-11-17 12:27                                               ` Jeff Layton
2020-11-17 14:14                                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2020-11-17  3:18                                             ` [PATCH 4/4] nfs: support i_version in the NFSv4 case J. Bruce Fields
2020-11-17 12:34                                               ` Jeff Layton
2020-11-24 20:35               ` Adventures in NFS re-exporting Daire Byrne
2020-11-24 21:15                 ` bfields
2020-11-24 22:15                   ` Frank Filz
2020-11-25 14:47                     ` 'bfields'
2020-11-25 16:25                       ` Frank Filz
2020-11-25 19:03                         ` 'bfields'
2020-11-26  0:04                           ` Frank Filz
2020-11-25 17:14                   ` Daire Byrne
2020-11-25 19:31                     ` bfields
2020-12-03 12:20                     ` Daire Byrne
2020-12-03 18:51                       ` bfields
2020-12-03 20:27                         ` Trond Myklebust
2020-12-03 21:13                           ` bfields
2020-12-03 21:32                             ` Frank Filz
2020-12-03 21:34                             ` Trond Myklebust
2020-12-03 21:45                               ` Frank Filz
2020-12-03 21:57                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2020-12-03 22:04                                   ` bfields
2020-12-03 22:14                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2020-12-03 22:39                                       ` Frank Filz
2020-12-03 22:50                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2020-12-03 23:34                                           ` Frank Filz
2020-12-03 22:44                                       ` bfields
2020-12-03 21:54                               ` bfields
2020-12-03 22:45                               ` bfields
2020-12-03 22:53                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2020-12-03 23:16                                   ` bfields
2020-12-03 23:28                                     ` Frank Filz
2020-12-04  1:02                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2020-12-04  1:41                                       ` bfields
2020-12-04  2:27                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2020-09-17 16:01   ` Daire Byrne
2020-09-17 19:09     ` bfields
2020-09-17 20:23       ` Frank van der Linden
2020-09-17 21:57         ` bfields
2020-09-19 11:08           ` Daire Byrne
2020-09-22 16:43         ` Chuck Lever
2020-09-23 20:25           ` Daire Byrne
2020-09-23 21:01             ` Frank van der Linden
2020-09-26  9:00               ` Daire Byrne
2020-09-28 15:49                 ` Frank van der Linden
2020-09-28 16:08                   ` Chuck Lever
2020-09-28 17:42                     ` Frank van der Linden
2020-09-22 12:31 ` Daire Byrne
2020-09-22 13:52   ` Trond Myklebust [this message]
2020-09-23 12:40     ` J. Bruce Fields
2020-09-23 13:09       ` Trond Myklebust
2020-09-23 17:07         ` bfields
2020-09-30 19:30   ` [Linux-cachefs] " Jeff Layton
2020-10-01  0:09     ` Daire Byrne
2020-10-01 10:36       ` Jeff Layton
2020-10-01 12:38         ` Trond Myklebust
2020-10-01 16:39           ` Jeff Layton
2020-10-05 12:54         ` Daire Byrne
2020-10-13  9:59           ` Daire Byrne
2020-10-01 18:41     ` J. Bruce Fields
2020-10-01 19:24       ` Trond Myklebust
2020-10-01 19:26         ` bfields
2020-10-01 19:29           ` Trond Myklebust
2020-10-01 19:51             ` bfields

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