From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754862AbeD3QaQ (ORCPT ); Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:30:16 -0400 Received: from mail-qt0-f177.google.com ([209.85.216.177]:40710 "EHLO mail-qt0-f177.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754555AbeD3QaN (ORCPT ); Mon, 30 Apr 2018 12:30:13 -0400 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZrMva7TNQw/SO9RzoLZa5KoA8ZxwHLINpBtjPFL0eTbKeAEan2FiAOqsjFfctB3/Lp65ojq5g== Subject: Re: [RFC net-next 0/5] Support for PHY test modes To: David Miller Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, andrew@lunn.ch, rmk@armlinux.org.uk, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cphealy@gmail.com, nikita.yoush@cogentembedded.com, vivien.didelot@savoirfairelinux.com, Nisar.Sayed@microchip.com, UNGLinuxDriver@microchip.com References: <20180428003237.1536-1-f.fainelli@gmail.com> <20180429.225554.2165914401649980919.davem@davemloft.net> From: Florian Fainelli Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=f.fainelli@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsDiBEjPuBIRBACW9MxSJU9fvEOCTnRNqG/13rAGsj+vJqontvoDSNxRgmafP8d3nesnqPyR xGlkaOSDuu09rxuW+69Y2f1TzjFuGpBk4ysWOR85O2Nx8AJ6fYGCoeTbovrNlGT1M9obSFGQ X3IzRnWoqlfudjTO5TKoqkbOgpYqIo5n1QbEjCCwCwCg3DOH/4ug2AUUlcIT9/l3pGvoRJ0E AICDzi3l7pmC5IWn2n1mvP5247urtHFs/uusE827DDj3K8Upn2vYiOFMBhGsxAk6YKV6IP0d ZdWX6fqkJJlu9cSDvWtO1hXeHIfQIE/xcqvlRH783KrihLcsmnBqOiS6rJDO2x1eAgC8meAX SAgsrBhcgGl2Rl5gh/jkeA5ykwbxA/9u1eEuL70Qzt5APJmqVXR+kWvrqdBVPoUNy/tQ8mYc nzJJ63ng3tHhnwHXZOu8hL4nqwlYHRa9eeglXYhBqja4ZvIvCEqSmEukfivk+DlIgVoOAJbh qIWgvr3SIEuR6ayY3f5j0f2ejUMYlYYnKdiHXFlF9uXm1ELrb0YX4GMHz80nRmxvcmlhbiBG YWluZWxsaSA8Zi5mYWluZWxsaUBnbWFpbC5jb20+wmYEExECACYCGyMGCwkIBwMCBBUCCAME FgIDAQIeAQIXgAUCVF/S8QUJHlwd3wAKCRBhV5kVtWN2DvCVAJ4u4/bPF4P3jxb4qEY8I2gS 6hG0gACffNWlqJ2T4wSSn+3o7CCZNd7SLSDOw00ESM+4EhAQAL/o09boR9D3Vk1Tt7+gpYr3 WQ6hgYVON905q2ndEoA2J0dQxJNRw3snabHDDzQBAcqOvdi7YidfBVdKi0wxHhSuRBfuOppu pdXkb7zxuPQuSveCLqqZWRQ+Cc2QgF7SBqgznbe6Ngout5qXY5Dcagk9LqFNGhJQzUGHAsIs hap1f0B1PoUyUNeEInV98D8Xd/edM3mhO9nRpUXRK9Bvt4iEZUXGuVtZLT52nK6Wv2EZ1TiT OiqZlf1P+vxYLBx9eKmabPdm3yjalhY8yr1S1vL0gSA/C6W1o/TowdieF1rWN/MYHlkpyj9c Rpc281gAO0AP3V1G00YzBEdYyi0gaJbCEQnq8Vz1vDXFxHzyhgGz7umBsVKmYwZgA8DrrB0M oaP35wuGR3RJcaG30AnJpEDkBYHznI2apxdcuTPOHZyEilIRrBGzDwGtAhldzlBoBwE3Z3MY 31TOpACu1ZpNOMysZ6xiE35pWkwc0KYm4hJA5GFfmWSN6DniimW3pmdDIiw4Ifcx8b3mFrRO BbDIW13E51j9RjbO/nAaK9ndZ5LRO1B/8Fwat7bLzmsCiEXOJY7NNpIEpkoNoEUfCcZwmLrU +eOTPzaF6drw6ayewEi5yzPg3TAT6FV3oBsNg3xlwU0gPK3v6gYPX5w9+ovPZ1/qqNfOrbsE FRuiSVsZQ5s3AAMFD/9XjlnnVDh9GX/r/6hjmr4U9tEsM+VQXaVXqZuHKaSmojOLUCP/YVQo 7IiYaNssCS4FCPe4yrL4FJJfJAsbeyDykMN7wAnBcOkbZ9BPJPNCbqU6dowLOiy8AuTYQ48m vIyQ4Ijnb6GTrtxIUDQeOBNuQC/gyyx3nbL/lVlHbxr4tb6YkhkO6shjXhQh7nQb33FjGO4P WU11Nr9i/qoV8QCo12MQEo244RRA6VMud06y/E449rWZFSTwGqb0FS0seTcYNvxt8PB2izX+ HZA8SL54j479ubxhfuoTu5nXdtFYFj5Lj5x34LKPx7MpgAmj0H7SDhpFWF2FzcC1bjiW9mjW HaKaX23Awt97AqQZXegbfkJwX2Y53ufq8Np3e1542lh3/mpiGSilCsaTahEGrHK+lIusl6mz Joil+u3k01ofvJMK0ZdzGUZ/aPMZ16LofjFA+MNxWrZFrkYmiGdv+LG45zSlZyIvzSiG2lKy kuVag+IijCIom78P9jRtB1q1Q5lwZp2TLAJlz92DmFwBg1hyFzwDADjZ2nrDxKUiybXIgZp9 aU2d++ptEGCVJOfEW4qpWCCLPbOT7XBr+g/4H3qWbs3j/cDDq7LuVYIe+wchy/iXEJaQVeTC y5arMQorqTFWlEOgRA8OP47L9knl9i4xuR0euV6DChDrguup2aJVU8JPBBgRAgAPAhsMBQJU X9LxBQkeXB3fAAoJEGFXmRW1Y3YOj4UAn3nrFLPZekMeqX5aD/aq/dsbXSfyAKC45Go0YyxV HGuUuzv+GKZ6nsysJw== Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 09:30:03 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180429.225554.2165914401649980919.davem@davemloft.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 04/29/2018 07:55 PM, David Miller wrote: > From: Florian Fainelli > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 17:32:30 -0700 > >> This patch series adds support for specifying PHY test modes through >> ethtool and paves the ground for adding support for more complex >> test modes that might require data to be exchanged between user and >> kernel space. >> >> As an example, patches are included to add support for the IEEE >> electrical test modes for 100BaseT2 and 1000BaseT. Those do not >> require data to be passed back and forth. >> >> I believe the infrastructure to be usable enough to add support for >> other things like: >> >> - cable diagnostics >> - pattern generator/waveform generator with specific pattern being >> indicated for instance >> >> Questions for Andrew, and others: >> >> - there could be room for adding additional ETH_TEST_FL_* values in order to >> help determine how the test should be running >> - some of these tests can be disruptive to connectivity, the minimum we could >> do is stop the PHY state machine and restart it when "normal" is used to exit >> those test modes >> >> Comments welcome! > > Generally, no objection to providing this in the general manner you > have implemented it via ethtool. Thanks for taking a look! > > I think in order to answer the disruptive question, you need to give > some information about what kind of context this stuff would be > used in, and if in those contexts what the user expectations are > or might be. > > Are these test modes something that usually would be initiated with > the interface down? We expect that these commands/tests would likely be issued when the interface is up (not necessarily with a carrier state ON though) because we know for sure that drivers will have successfully connected to their PHY and there is no power management (or there is, like runtime PM) which will not prevent accesses to the MDIO interface from working. Turning these tests on will typically result in the link partner dropping the link with us, and the interface will be non-functional as far as the data path is concerned (similar to an isolation mode). This might warrant properly reporting that to user-space through e.g: a private IFF_* value maybe? -- Florian