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From: "Michael K. Edwards" <medwards.linux@gmail.com>
To: "Eric Dumazet" <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
Cc: "Evgeniy Polyakov" <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>,
	akepner@sgi.com, linux@horizon.com, davem@davemloft.net,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, bcrl@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: Extensible hashing and RCU
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:04:24 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f2b55d220702181404l4c00e91eo94171aac56e80ce7@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f2b55d220702181323l5d2640a4g18df6d1ee051e987@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/18/07, Michael K. Edwards <medwards.linux@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...  Much less vulnerable to cache eviction DDoS
> than a hash, because the hot connections get rotated up into non-leaf
> layers and get traversed enough to keep them in the LRU set.

Let me enlarge on this a bit.  I used to work for a company that built
a custom firewall/VPN ASIC with all sorts of special sauce in it,
mostly focused on dealing with DDoS.  Some really smart guys, some
really good technology, I hope they grab the brass ring someday.  On
the scale they were dealing with, there's only one thing to do about
DDoS: bend over and take it.  Provision enough memory bandwidth to
cold-cache every packet, every session lookup, and every
packet-processing-progress structure.  Massively parallelize, spinlock
on on-chip SRAM, tune for the cold-cache case.  If you can't afford to
do that -- and if you haven't designed your own chip, with separate
cache windows for each of these use cases, you can't, because they're
all retrograde loads for an LRU cache -- then a hash is not the right
answer.  The interaction between resizing and RCU is just the canary
in the coal mine.

Cheers,
- Michael

  reply	other threads:[~2007-02-18 22:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-04  7:41 Extensible hashing and RCU linux
2007-02-05 18:02 ` akepner
2007-02-17 13:13   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-18 18:46     ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-18 19:10       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-18 20:21         ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-18 21:23           ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-18 22:04             ` Michael K. Edwards [this message]
2007-02-19 12:04             ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-19 19:18               ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-19 11:41           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-19 13:38             ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-19 13:56               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-19 14:14                 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-19 14:25                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-19 15:14                     ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-19 18:13                       ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-19 18:26                         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2007-02-19 18:38                           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2007-02-20  9:25                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-20  9:57                           ` David Miller
2007-02-20 10:22                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-20 10:04                           ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-20 10:12                             ` David Miller
2007-02-20 10:30                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-20 11:10                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-20 11:23                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-20 11:30                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-20 11:41                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-20 10:49                               ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-20 15:07                               ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-20 15:11                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-20 15:49                                   ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-20 15:59                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-20 16:08                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-20 16:20                                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-20 16:38                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-20 16:59                                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-20 17:05                                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-20 17:53                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-20 18:00                                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-20 18:55                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-20 19:06                                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-20 19:17                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-20 19:36                                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-20 19:44                                                           ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-20 17:20                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-20 17:55                                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-20 18:12                                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-20 19:13                                                     ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-20 19:44                                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-20 20:03                                                         ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-20 20:09                                                           ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-21  8:56                                                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-21  9:34                                                               ` David Miller
2007-02-21  9:51                                                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-21 10:03                                                                   ` David Miller
2007-02-21  8:54                                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-21  9:15                                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-21  9:27                                                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-21  9:38                                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-21  9:57                                                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-21 21:15                                                                     ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-22  9:06                                                                       ` David Miller
2007-02-22 11:00                                                                         ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-22 11:07                                                                           ` David Miller
2007-02-22 19:24                                                                             ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-02-20 16:04                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-22 23:49                                     ` linux
2007-02-23  2:31                                       ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-02-20 10:44                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-20 11:09                               ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-20 11:29                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-20 11:34                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-20 11:45                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-21 12:41                                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-21 13:19                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-21 13:37                                     ` David Miller
2007-02-21 23:13                                       ` Robert Olsson
2007-02-22  6:06                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2007-02-22 11:41                                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-22 11:44                                           ` David Miller
2007-02-20 12:11                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-19 22:10                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-19 12:02           ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-19 12:35             ` Robert Olsson
2007-02-19 14:04       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-02  8:52     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-02  9:56       ` Eric Dumazet
2007-03-02 10:28         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-02 20:45         ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-03-03 10:46           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-04 10:02             ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-03-04 20:36               ` David Miller
2007-03-05  7:12                 ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-03-05 10:02                   ` Robert Olsson
2007-03-05 10:00               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-13  9:32       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-03-13 10:08         ` Eric Dumazet
2007-03-13 10:24           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-02-05 18:41 ` [RFC/TOY]Extensible " akepner
2007-02-06 19:09   ` linux

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