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From: Daniel Walter <dwalter@sigma-star.at>
To: Sascha Hauer <s.hauer@pengutronix.de>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>
Cc: linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
	boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com, alex@nextthing.co
Subject: Re: [RFC] ubihealthd
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 19:27:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fa514353-2a8f-7121-466e-6261b39be03d@sigma-star.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160415062604.GA31101@pengutronix.de>

On 04/15/2016 08:26 AM, Sascha Hauer wrote:
> Hi Richard, Daniel,
> 
> On Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 11:59:59PM +0100, Richard Weinberger wrote:
>> ubihealthd is a tiny C program which takes care of your NAND.
>> It will trigger re-reads and scrubbing such that read-disturb and
>> data retention will be addressed before data is lost.
>> Currently the policy is rather trivial. It re-reads every PEB within
>> a given time frame, same for scrubbing and if a PEB's read counter exceeds
>> a given threshold it will also trigger a re-read.
>>
>> At ELCE some people asked why this is done in userspace.
>> The reason is that this is a classical example of kernel offers mechanism
>> and userspace the policy. Also ubihealthd is not mandatory.
>> Depending on your NAND it can help you increasing its lifetime.
>> But you won't lose data immediately if it does not run for a while.
>> It is something like smartd is for hard disks.
>> I did this also in kernel space and it was messy.
> 
> I gave ubihealthd a try and it basically works as expected. I let it run
> on a UBI device with a ton of (artificial) bitflips and the demon crawls
> over them moving the data away.
> 
> Do you have plans to further work on this and to integrate it into the
> kernel and mtd-utils?
> 
> One thing I noticed is that ubihealthd always scrubs blocks, even when
> there are no bitflips in that block. Why is that done? I would assume
> that rewriting a block when there are more bitflips than we can accept
> is enough, no?
> 
> Sascha
> 

Hi Sascha,

sorry for the late reply.

I've picked up working on ubihealthd again and after your comments and
the comments from Brian, I came to the conclusion, that we can indeed
skip the scrubbing, since it will be done by the kernel anyways as soon
as a read requests produces bitfilps.

I assume that I'll finish the work for the next version for ubihealthd
within the next few days and will send an updated RFC to the list.

daniel

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-07-05 17:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-05 22:59 [RFC] ubihealthd Richard Weinberger
2015-11-05 23:00 ` [PATCH 1/4] Add kernel style linked lists Richard Weinberger
2015-11-05 23:00 ` [PATCH 2/4] Include new ioctls and struct in ubi-user.h Richard Weinberger
2015-11-05 23:00 ` [PATCH 3/4] Initial implementation for ubihealthd Richard Weinberger
2016-04-15  6:38   ` Sascha Hauer
2015-11-05 23:00 ` [PATCH 4/4] Documentation " Richard Weinberger
2016-04-15  6:26 ` [RFC] ubihealthd Sascha Hauer
2016-04-15  9:02   ` Boris Brezillon
2016-07-05 17:27   ` Daniel Walter [this message]
     [not found] <f9de52c909c44f5daa7bcb154ec27e2e@SIWEX5A.sing.micron.com>
2017-06-27 13:42 ` Richard Weinberger
     [not found] <9b03f4d6e2004f07b30a13cfa4cfcc96@SIWEX5A.sing.micron.com>
2017-06-27 14:51 ` Richard Weinberger

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