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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
Cc: kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Eric Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	Bhupesh Sharma <bhsharma@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] kexec/memory_hotplug: Prevent removal and accidental use
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 15:18:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fd6434ca-0af2-ef75-a83a-2ef3d2deefda@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0ee0556d-9903-1b17-8c58-e847f4c00816@arm.com>

On 27.03.20 16:42, James Morse wrote:
> Hi David,
> 
> On 3/27/20 9:27 AM, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> On 26.03.20 19:07, James Morse wrote:
>>> arm64 recently queued support for memory hotremove, which led to some
>>> new corner cases for kexec.
>>>
>>> If the kexec segments are loaded for a removable region, that region may
>>> be removed before kexec actually occurs. This causes the first kernel to
>>> lockup when applying the relocations. (I've triggered this on x86 too).
>>>
>>> The first patch adds a memory notifier for kexec so that it can refuse
>>> to allow in-use regions to be taken offline.
> 
>> IIRC other architectures handle that by setting the affected pages
>> PageReserved. Any reason why to not stick to the same?
> 
> Hmm, I didn't spot this. How come core code doesn't do it if its needed?
> 
> Doesn't PG_Reserved prevent the page from being used for regular allocations?
> (or is that only if its done early)
> 
> I prefer the runtime check as the dmesg output gives the user some chance of
> knowing why their memory-offline failed, and doing something about it!

I was confused which memory we are trying to protect. Understood now,
that you are dealing with the target physical memory described during
described during kexec_load.

[...]

> 
>> Also, makedumpfile will check if the
>> sections are still around IIRC.
> 
> Curious. I thought the vmcore was virtually addressed, how does it know which
> linear-map portions correspond to sysfs memory nodes with KASLR?

That's a very interesting question. I remember there was KASLR support
being implemented specifically for that - but I don't know any details.

>> Not sure what you mean by "Unaware kdump from user-space".
> 
> The existing kexec-tools binaries, that (I assume) don't go probing to find out
> if 'System RAM' is removable or not, loading a kdump kernel, along with the
> user-space generated blob that describes the first kernel's memory usage to the
> second kernel.

Finally understood how kexec without kdump works, thanks.

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb



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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
Cc: Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Bhupesh Sharma <bhsharma@redhat.com>,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Eric Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] kexec/memory_hotplug: Prevent removal and accidental use
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 15:18:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fd6434ca-0af2-ef75-a83a-2ef3d2deefda@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0ee0556d-9903-1b17-8c58-e847f4c00816@arm.com>

On 27.03.20 16:42, James Morse wrote:
> Hi David,
> 
> On 3/27/20 9:27 AM, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> On 26.03.20 19:07, James Morse wrote:
>>> arm64 recently queued support for memory hotremove, which led to some
>>> new corner cases for kexec.
>>>
>>> If the kexec segments are loaded for a removable region, that region may
>>> be removed before kexec actually occurs. This causes the first kernel to
>>> lockup when applying the relocations. (I've triggered this on x86 too).
>>>
>>> The first patch adds a memory notifier for kexec so that it can refuse
>>> to allow in-use regions to be taken offline.
> 
>> IIRC other architectures handle that by setting the affected pages
>> PageReserved. Any reason why to not stick to the same?
> 
> Hmm, I didn't spot this. How come core code doesn't do it if its needed?
> 
> Doesn't PG_Reserved prevent the page from being used for regular allocations?
> (or is that only if its done early)
> 
> I prefer the runtime check as the dmesg output gives the user some chance of
> knowing why their memory-offline failed, and doing something about it!

I was confused which memory we are trying to protect. Understood now,
that you are dealing with the target physical memory described during
described during kexec_load.

[...]

> 
>> Also, makedumpfile will check if the
>> sections are still around IIRC.
> 
> Curious. I thought the vmcore was virtually addressed, how does it know which
> linear-map portions correspond to sysfs memory nodes with KASLR?

That's a very interesting question. I remember there was KASLR support
being implemented specifically for that - but I don't know any details.

>> Not sure what you mean by "Unaware kdump from user-space".
> 
> The existing kexec-tools binaries, that (I assume) don't go probing to find out
> if 'System RAM' is removable or not, loading a kdump kernel, along with the
> user-space generated blob that describes the first kernel's memory usage to the
> second kernel.

Finally understood how kexec without kdump works, thanks.

-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb


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2020-03-26 18:07 [PATCH 0/3] kexec/memory_hotplug: Prevent removal and accidental use James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07 ` James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07 ` [PATCH 1/3] kexec: Prevent removal of memory in use by a loaded kexec image James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07   ` James Morse
2020-03-27  0:43   ` Anshuman Khandual
2020-03-27  0:43     ` Anshuman Khandual
2020-03-27  2:54     ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27  2:54       ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27 15:46     ` James Morse
2020-03-27 15:46       ` James Morse
2020-03-27  2:34   ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27  2:34     ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27  9:30   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27  9:30     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 16:56     ` James Morse
2020-03-27 16:56       ` James Morse
2020-03-27 17:06       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 17:06         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 18:07         ` James Morse
2020-03-27 18:07           ` James Morse
2020-03-27 18:52           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 18:52             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:00             ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:00               ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:13               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:13                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 17:17                 ` James Morse
2020-03-30 17:17                   ` James Morse
2020-03-30 18:14                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 18:14                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-10 19:10                     ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-10 19:10                       ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-10 19:10                       ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-11  3:44                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-11  3:44                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-11  3:44                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-11  9:30                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-11  9:30                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-11  9:30                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-11  9:58                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-11  9:58                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-11  9:58                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-12  5:35                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-12  5:35                             ` Baoquan He
2020-04-12  5:35                             ` Baoquan He
2020-04-12  8:08                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-12  8:08                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-12  8:08                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-12 19:52                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-12 19:52                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-12 19:52                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-12 20:37                                 ` Bhupesh SHARMA
2020-04-12 20:37                                   ` Bhupesh SHARMA
2020-04-12 20:37                                   ` Bhupesh SHARMA
2020-04-13  2:37                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-13  2:37                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-13  2:37                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-13 13:15                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-13 13:15                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-13 13:15                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-13 23:01                                     ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-13 23:01                                       ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-13 23:01                                       ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-14  6:13                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-14  6:13                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-14  6:13                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-14  6:40                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:40                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:40                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:51                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:51                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:51                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  8:00                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  8:00                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  8:00                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  9:22                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:22                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:22                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:22                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:37                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  9:37                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  9:37                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  9:37                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 14:39                                             ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 14:39                                               ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 14:39                                               ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 14:39                                               ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 14:49                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 14:49                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 14:49                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 14:49                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-15  2:35                                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-15  2:35                                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-15  2:35                                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-15  2:35                                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 13:31                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 13:31                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 13:31                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 13:31                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:02                                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:02                                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:02                                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:02                                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:09                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:09                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:09                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:09                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:36                                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:36                                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:36                                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:36                                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:47                                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:47                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:47                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:47                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:29                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:29                                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:29                                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:29                                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:57                                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:57                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:57                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:57                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:59                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-21 13:59                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-21 13:59                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-21 13:59                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-21 14:30                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 14:30                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 14:30                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 14:30                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:17                                                               ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:17                                                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:17                                                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:17                                                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:24                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:24                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:24                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:24                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:57                                                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:57                                                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:57                                                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:57                                                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 10:05                                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 10:05                                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 10:05                                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 10:05                                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 10:36                                                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 10:36                                                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 10:36                                                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 10:36                                                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:16                                     ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:16                                       ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:16                                       ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:38                                       ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:38                                         ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:38                                         ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  7:05                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  7:05                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  7:05                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 16:55                         ` James Morse
2020-04-14 16:55                           ` James Morse
2020-04-14 16:55                           ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:41                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 17:41                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 17:41                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-15 20:33   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:33     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:33     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:28     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:28       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:28       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 15:25       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 15:25         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 15:25         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 16:40         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 16:40           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 16:40           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-23 16:29           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-23 16:29             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-23 16:29             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-24  7:39             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:39               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:39               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:41               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:41                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:41                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-05-01 16:55           ` James Morse
2020-05-01 16:55             ` James Morse
2020-05-01 16:55             ` James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm/memory_hotplug: Allow arch override of non boot memory resource names James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07   ` James Morse
2020-03-27  9:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27  9:59     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 15:39     ` James Morse
2020-03-27 15:39       ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:23       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:23         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 17:17         ` James Morse
2020-03-30 17:17           ` James Morse
2020-04-02  5:49   ` Dave Young
2020-04-02  5:49     ` Dave Young
2020-04-02  5:49     ` Dave Young
2020-04-02  6:12     ` piliu
2020-04-02  6:12       ` piliu
2020-04-02  6:12       ` piliu
2020-04-14 17:21       ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:21         ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:21         ` James Morse
2020-04-15 20:36   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:36     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:36     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:14     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14       ` James Morse
2020-05-09  0:45   ` Andrew Morton
2020-05-09  0:45     ` Andrew Morton
2020-05-09  0:45     ` Andrew Morton
2020-05-11  8:35     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-05-11  8:35       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-05-11  8:35       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-26 18:07 ` [PATCH 3/3] arm64: memory: Give hotplug memory a different resource name James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07   ` James Morse
2020-03-30 19:01   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 19:01     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-15 20:37   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:37     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:37     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:14     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14       ` James Morse
2020-03-27  2:11 ` [PATCH 0/3] kexec/memory_hotplug: Prevent removal and accidental use Baoquan He
2020-03-27  2:11   ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27 15:40   ` James Morse
2020-03-27 15:40     ` James Morse
2020-03-27  9:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27  9:27   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 15:42   ` James Morse
2020-03-27 15:42     ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:18     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2020-03-30 13:18       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:55 ` Baoquan He
2020-03-30 13:55   ` Baoquan He
2020-03-30 17:17   ` James Morse
2020-03-30 17:17     ` James Morse
2020-03-31  3:46     ` Dave Young
2020-03-31  3:46       ` Dave Young
2020-04-14 17:31       ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:31         ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:31         ` James Morse
2020-03-31  3:38 ` Dave Young
2020-03-31  3:38   ` Dave Young
2020-04-15 20:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:29   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:29   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:14   ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 13:04     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 13:04       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 13:04       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 15:40       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 15:40         ` James Morse
2020-04-22 15:40         ` James Morse

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