Hi, I have two DVB devices in my machine that I want to be able to identify persistently[1]. They are typically on /dev/dvb/adapter{0,1}/frontend0 but their order is arbitrary and can change from one boot to another. So using udevadm info I tried to find attributes for them that I could rely on consistently. Here is the output from: # udevadm info --attribute-walk --name /dev/dvb/adapter?/frontend0 First device: looking at device '/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:02:09.0/dvb/dvb0.frontend0': KERNEL=="dvb0.frontend0" SUBSYSTEM=="dvb" DRIVER=="" looking at parent device '/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:02:09.0': KERNELS=="0000:02:09.0" SUBSYSTEMS=="pci" DRIVERS=="cx18" ATTRS{vendor}=="0x14f1" ATTRS{device}=="0x5b7a" ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x0070" ATTRS{subsystem_device}=="0x7400" ATTRS{class}=="0x040000" ATTRS{irq}=="21" ATTRS{local_cpus}=="ff" ATTRS{local_cpulist}=="0-7" ATTRS{dma_mask_bits}=="32" ATTRS{consistent_dma_mask_bits}=="32" ATTRS{enable}=="1" ATTRS{broken_parity_status}=="0" ATTRS{msi_bus}=="" looking at parent device '/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0': KERNELS=="0000:00:1e.0" SUBSYSTEMS=="pci" DRIVERS=="" ATTRS{vendor}=="0x8086" ATTRS{device}=="0x244e" ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x0000" ATTRS{subsystem_device}=="0x0000" ATTRS{class}=="0x060400" ATTRS{irq}=="0" ATTRS{local_cpus}=="ff" ATTRS{local_cpulist}=="0-7" ATTRS{dma_mask_bits}=="32" ATTRS{consistent_dma_mask_bits}=="32" ATTRS{enable}=="1" ATTRS{broken_parity_status}=="0" ATTRS{msi_bus}=="1" looking at parent device '/devices/pci0000:00': KERNELS=="pci0000:00" SUBSYSTEMS=="" DRIVERS=="" And the second device: looking at device '/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-3/dvb/dvb1.frontend0': KERNEL=="dvb1.frontend0" SUBSYSTEM=="dvb" DRIVER=="" looking at parent device '/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-3': KERNELS=="1-3" SUBSYSTEMS=="usb" DRIVERS=="usb" ATTRS{configuration}=="" ATTRS{bNumInterfaces}==" 4" ATTRS{bConfigurationValue}=="1" ATTRS{bmAttributes}=="80" ATTRS{bMaxPower}=="500mA" ATTRS{urbnum}=="5941719" ATTRS{idVendor}=="2040" ATTRS{idProduct}=="7200" ATTRS{bcdDevice}=="0005" ATTRS{bDeviceClass}=="00" ATTRS{bDeviceSubClass}=="00" ATTRS{bDeviceProtocol}=="00" ATTRS{bNumConfigurations}=="1" ATTRS{bMaxPacketSize0}=="64" ATTRS{speed}=="480" ATTRS{busnum}=="1" ATTRS{devnum}=="2" ATTRS{devpath}=="3" ATTRS{version}==" 2.00" ATTRS{maxchild}=="0" ATTRS{quirks}=="0x0" ATTRS{avoid_reset_quirk}=="0" ATTRS{authorized}=="1" ATTRS{manufacturer}=="Hauppauge" ATTRS{product}=="WinTV HVR-950" ATTRS{serial}=="*********" looking at parent device '/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1': KERNELS=="usb1" SUBSYSTEMS=="usb" DRIVERS=="usb" ATTRS{configuration}=="" ATTRS{bNumInterfaces}==" 1" ATTRS{bConfigurationValue}=="1" ATTRS{bmAttributes}=="e0" ATTRS{bMaxPower}==" 0mA" ATTRS{urbnum}=="52" ATTRS{idVendor}=="1d6b" ATTRS{idProduct}=="0002" ATTRS{bcdDevice}=="0302" ATTRS{bDeviceClass}=="09" ATTRS{bDeviceSubClass}=="00" ATTRS{bDeviceProtocol}=="00" ATTRS{bNumConfigurations}=="1" ATTRS{bMaxPacketSize0}=="64" ATTRS{speed}=="480" ATTRS{busnum}=="1" ATTRS{devnum}=="1" ATTRS{devpath}=="0" ATTRS{version}==" 2.00" ATTRS{maxchild}=="8" ATTRS{quirks}=="0x0" ATTRS{avoid_reset_quirk}=="0" ATTRS{authorized}=="1" ATTRS{manufacturer}=="Linux 3.2.0-18-generic ehci_hcd" ATTRS{product}=="EHCI Host Controller" ATTRS{serial}=="0000:00:1d.7" ATTRS{authorized_default}=="1" looking at parent device '/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7': KERNELS=="0000:00:1d.7" SUBSYSTEMS=="pci" DRIVERS=="ehci_hcd" ATTRS{vendor}=="0x8086" ATTRS{device}=="0x24dd" ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x1043" ATTRS{subsystem_device}=="0x80a6" ATTRS{class}=="0x0c0320" ATTRS{irq}=="23" ATTRS{local_cpus}=="ff" ATTRS{local_cpulist}=="0-7" ATTRS{dma_mask_bits}=="32" ATTRS{consistent_dma_mask_bits}=="32" ATTRS{enable}=="1" ATTRS{broken_parity_status}=="0" ATTRS{msi_bus}=="" ATTRS{companion}=="" ATTRS{uframe_periodic_max}=="100" looking at parent device '/devices/pci0000:00': KERNELS=="pci0000:00" SUBSYSTEMS=="" DRIVERS=="" So I tried rules like: SUBSYSTEM=="dvb", ATTRS{product}=="WinTV HVR-950", SYMLINK="dvb_pvr950q" SUBSYSTEM=="dvb", DRIVERS=="cx18", SYMLINK="dvb_hvr1600" but those ended up symlinking to the "net0" device: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Apr 24 12:56 /dev/dvb_hvr1600 -> dvb/adapter0/net0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Apr 24 12:56 /dev/dvb_pvr950q -> dvb/adapter1/net0 How can I create symlinks to the "frontend0" device rather than the net0 device? Cheers, b. [1] You might wonder why I would care given that they both do quite the same thing and who cares which one is "0" and which one is "1". But the reality is that while they might function the same the HVR-1600 produces streams with "glitches" in them (see my other message to this list "HVR-1600 QAM recordings with slight glitches in them" -- but yes, otherwise I couldn't really care less about which was which) and the PVR-950Q produces _perfect_ streams, so I really only want to use the HVR-1600 in "overflow" situations.