Freenode fallout

Freenode fallout

[Lyude Paul]

Hi everyone! As I'm sure most of you heard by now, Freenode's staff has
had a falling out and it's been recommended by their staff that projects
consider the network a hostile entity. I won't go into the details here,
but those who are interested can read up here:

https://lwn.net/Articles/856543/

At the moment, the vast majority of IRC channels for various Freedesktop
and X.org projects currently reside on Freenode. While the X.org
foundation doesn't have any official policies on IRC hosting, because of
how frequently IRC is used by various projects in our community we on
the board decided to make a non-binding recommendation on an IRC network
we think would be good to move to. We're also looking at ways to provide
some resources to help channels move en masse. We hope this will enable
interested projects to migrate to the same new IRC network in order to
ensure they're all in the same place.

After considering Libera and OFTC as options, the board settled on
recommending OFTC. The primary reason for this is because OFTC is
associated with our parent foundation SPI, and has a long and well known
history of involvement with the open source community. As well, the
board believes OFTC's current Governance model is a lot more clear then
Libera's.

-- 
Sincerely,
   Lyude Paul (she/her)
   Software Engineer at Red Hat
   
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Re: Freenode fallout

[Simon Ser]

On Friday, May 21st, 2021 at 1:49 AM, Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com> wrote:

> After considering Libera and OFTC as options, the board settled on
> recommending OFTC. The primary reason for this is because OFTC is
> associated with our parent foundation SPI, and has a long and well known
> history of involvement with the open source community. As well, the
> board believes OFTC's current Governance model is a lot more clear then
> Libera's.

I'd personally prefer Libera Chat. They don't yet have a published
formal governance model, but I hope this will come soon. As the former
Freenode staff, I trust them to make sure mistakes from the past won't
be repeated.

Apart from politics, Libera also offers a more modern feature set. This
can ease daily usage, with features such as reliable authentication,
account tracking, and many other IRC protocol improvements. OFTC has
plans to eventually migrate to Solanum, but they don't have the time to
do it for now.

For reference, on OFTC:

    CAP LS 302
    :kinetic.oftc.net CAP * LS :multi-prefix

And on Libera:

    CAP LS 302
    :ruthenium.libera.chat CAP * LS :account-notify away-notify chghost extended-join multi-prefix sasl=PLAIN,ECDSA-NIST256P-CHALLENGE,EXTERNAL tls userhost-in-names account-tag cap-notify echo-message solanum.chat/identify-msg solanum.chat/realhost

Re: [Mesa-dev] Freenode fallout

[Wladislav Artsimovich]

Indeed, a lot of communities are moving to Libera. However, 
centralization is what caused the mess with freenode in the first place, 
thus communities spreading to different services may not be such a bad 
idea. As long as the channels themselves are not split, that is.

On 21/05/2021 15:33, Simon Ser wrote:
> On Friday, May 21st, 2021 at 1:49 AM, Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> After considering Libera and OFTC as options, the board settled on
>> recommending OFTC. The primary reason for this is because OFTC is
>> associated with our parent foundation SPI, and has a long and well known
>> history of involvement with the open source community. As well, the
>> board believes OFTC's current Governance model is a lot more clear then
>> Libera's.
> I'd personally prefer Libera Chat. They don't yet have a published
> formal governance model, but I hope this will come soon. As the former
> Freenode staff, I trust them to make sure mistakes from the past won't
> be repeated.
>
> Apart from politics, Libera also offers a more modern feature set. This
> can ease daily usage, with features such as reliable authentication,
> account tracking, and many other IRC protocol improvements. OFTC has
> plans to eventually migrate to Solanum, but they don't have the time to
> do it for now.
>
> For reference, on OFTC:
>
>      CAP LS 302
>      :kinetic.oftc.net CAP * LS :multi-prefix
>
> And on Libera:
>
>      CAP LS 302
>      :ruthenium.libera.chat CAP * LS :account-notify away-notify chghost extended-join multi-prefix sasl=PLAIN,ECDSA-NIST256P-CHALLENGE,EXTERNAL tls userhost-in-names account-tag cap-notify echo-message solanum.chat/identify-msg solanum.chat/realhost
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