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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: rientjes@google.com, eric.dumazet@gmail.com,
	jpiszcz@lucidpixels.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] ipv4: don't warn about skb ack allocation failures
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:41:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1ljnoyn0e.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090618.123708.78849607.davem@davemloft.net> (David Miller's message of "Thu\, 18 Jun 2009 12\:37\:08 -0700 \(PDT\)")

David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> writes:

> From: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:23:28 -0700 (PDT)
>
>> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, David Miller wrote:
>> 
>>> > I disagree, page allocation failure messages show vital information about 
>>> > the state of the VM so that we can find bugs and GFP_ATOMIC allocations 
>>> > are the most common trigger for these diagnostic messages since 
>>> > __GFP_WAIT allocations can trigger direct reclaim (and __GFP_FS 
>>> > allocations can trigger the oom killer) to free memory and will retry the 
>>> > allocation if ~__GFP_NORETRY.
>>> 
>>> It's COMPLETELY and ABSOLUTELY normal for GFP_ATOMIC allocations to
>>> fail in the networking.
>>> 
>> 
>> __GFP_NOWARN exists for that reason.
>
> You're going to have to put that into every driver, every part of
> the core networking, every protocol.
>
> That's dumb.
>
>> I understand what you're trying to avoid, but I disagree with the
>> approach of altering the default behavior of GFP_ATOMIC.
>
> The default got changed at some point because it never did
> crap like this before.

I started seeing this about when I upgraded to 2.6.28.

>> I may suggest that emitting the page allocation failures become a
>> compile time option; CONFIG_DEBUG_VM would be my suggestion.
>
> Use statistics gathering and tracing for this, not log spam.
>
> It serves all of your needs without spewing junk into the log.  It
> allows complete diagnosis and gathering of whatever information you
> may need.

I know my logs are overloaded with this noise, even on my laptop!

But Mr. Reintjes if you really want the traces I can set up 
an script to email them to you every time it happens.  Say about
1 a minute from my paltry little farm of machines.

Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-06-19 20:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <alpine.DEB.2.00.0906161203160.27742@p34.internal.lan>
2009-06-16 16:06 ` 2.6.29.1: nfsd: page allocation failure - nfsd or kernel problem? Justin Piszcz
2009-06-16 20:19   ` Michael Tokarev
2009-06-17  8:43     ` Michael Tokarev
2009-06-17  9:43       ` Justin Piszcz
2009-06-17 10:39         ` Michael Tokarev
2009-06-17 18:51           ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-17 20:24             ` Michael Tokarev
2009-06-17 20:39               ` David Rientjes
2009-06-18  8:54                 ` Michael Tokarev
2009-06-18 17:07                   ` David Rientjes
2009-06-18 17:56                     ` Michael Tokarev
2009-06-18 18:12                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-18 18:15                       ` David Rientjes
2009-06-17 22:45               ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-18  0:14               ` Zdenek Kaspar
2009-06-17 19:44   ` [patch] ipv4: don't warn about skb ack allocation failures David Rientjes
2009-06-17 20:16     ` Eric Dumazet
2009-06-17 20:33       ` David Rientjes
2009-06-17 20:52         ` Eric Dumazet
2009-06-17 21:12           ` David Rientjes
2009-06-17 22:30             ` Eric Dumazet
2009-06-17 23:08               ` David Miller
2009-06-18 16:56                 ` David Rientjes
2009-06-18 19:00                   ` David Miller
2009-06-18 19:23                     ` David Rientjes
2009-06-18 19:37                       ` David Miller
2009-06-19 19:45                         ` David Rientjes
2009-06-19 20:41                         ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2009-06-19 22:37                           ` David Rientjes
2009-06-19 23:04                             ` David Miller
2009-06-20  1:28                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-06-19 23:03                           ` David Miller
2009-06-22 16:08 ` 2.6.30: nfsd: page allocation failure - nfsd or kernel problem? (again with 2.6.30) Justin Piszcz

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