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From: Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: David Woodhouse <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@google.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, x86@kernel.org,
	thomas.lendacky@amd.com, Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 04/12] x86/spectre: Add boot time option to select Spectre v2 mitigation
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 23:55:05 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <nycvar.YFH.7.76.1801232348060.11852@cbobk.fhfr.pm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180123224014.dsbzps4hydt6h7ed@pd.tnic>

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018, Borislav Petkov wrote:

> > +		mode = retp_compiler() ? SPECTRE_V2_RETPOLINE_GENERIC :
> > +					 SPECTRE_V2_RETPOLINE_MINIMAL;
> 					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> but that might not always be an option.

I think we should start recording CFLAGS the kernel has been compiled with 
anyway; doesn't hurt and might come handy when debugging.

/proc/version is probably not the best place ... /proc/cflags?

> And it probably should be a more reliable method which we probably could
> use to detect !retpolined modules too.

That's the vermagic stuff Andi pushed. But that's not really acceptable 
for distros.

Distros have always been in the situation "we let the external modules to 
load, as it'll work when it comes to functionality, but then it's our 
duty/responsibility to explain to 3rd parties that they *really* should 
recompile". Mostly because of security fixes to static inlines, but not 
only that.

So that vermagic patch doesn't really help anything in real world (FWIW 
I've just dropped it from SLE kernel). "Potentially insecure" doesn't mean 
it shouldn't be loaded if the user wishes so. Only "functionally 
incorrect" (which is the kernel ABI compatibility check) should be the 
show stopper.

-- 
Jiri Kosina
SUSE Labs

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-01-23 22:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-11 21:46 [PATCH v8 00/12] Retpoline: Avoid speculative indirect calls in kernel David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 21:46 ` [PATCH v8 01/12] objtool: Detect jumps to retpoline thunks David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 23:22   ` [tip:x86/pti] " tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-11 21:46 ` [PATCH v8 02/12] objtool: Allow alternatives to be ignored David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 23:22   ` [tip:x86/pti] " tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-18 19:09   ` [v8,02/12] " Guenter Roeck
2018-01-18 19:33     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-18 19:41       ` Guenter Roeck
2018-01-22 19:34         ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-22 20:25           ` Guenter Roeck
2018-01-22 20:27             ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-28 21:06             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-29  1:26               ` Guenter Roeck
2018-01-29 17:15               ` Guenter Roeck
2018-01-29 17:30                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-22 19:27       ` Guenter Roeck
2018-01-11 21:46 ` [PATCH v8 03/12] x86/retpoline: Add initial retpoline support David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 23:23   ` [tip:x86/pti] " tip-bot for David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 23:58   ` [PATCH v8 03/12] " Tom Lendacky
2018-01-12 10:28     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-12 14:02       ` Tom Lendacky
2018-01-14 15:02   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-14 15:53     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-14 15:59       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-11 21:46 ` [PATCH v8 04/12] x86/spectre: Add boot time option to select Spectre v2 mitigation David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 23:23   ` [tip:x86/pti] " tip-bot for David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 22:40   ` [PATCH v8 04/12] " Borislav Petkov
2018-01-23 22:53     ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-23 23:05       ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-23 22:55     ` Jiri Kosina [this message]
2018-01-23 23:05       ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-24  0:32         ` Kees Cook
2018-01-24  9:58           ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-23 23:06       ` Jiri Kosina
2018-01-23 23:21       ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-23 23:24         ` Jiri Kosina
2018-01-23 23:45           ` Andi Kleen
2018-01-23 23:49             ` Jiri Kosina
2018-01-24  4:26               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-01-24  9:56                 ` Jiri Kosina
2018-01-24 13:58                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-01-24 14:03                     ` Jiri Kosina
2018-01-24 14:22                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-01-11 21:46 ` [PATCH v8 05/12] x86/retpoline/crypto: Convert crypto assembler indirect jumps David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 23:24   ` [tip:x86/pti] " tip-bot for David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 21:46 ` [PATCH v8 06/12] x86/retpoline/entry: Convert entry " David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 23:24   ` [tip:x86/pti] " tip-bot for David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 21:46 ` [PATCH v8 07/12] x86/retpoline/ftrace: Convert ftrace " David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 23:25   ` [tip:x86/pti] " tip-bot for David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 21:46 ` [PATCH v8 08/12] x86/retpoline/hyperv: Convert " David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 23:25   ` [tip:x86/pti] " tip-bot for David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 21:46 ` [PATCH v8 09/12] x86/retpoline/xen: Convert Xen hypercall " David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 23:25   ` [tip:x86/pti] " tip-bot for David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 21:46 ` [PATCH v8 10/12] x86/retpoline/checksum32: Convert assembler " David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 23:26   ` [tip:x86/pti] " tip-bot for David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 21:46 ` [PATCH v8 11/12] x86/retpoline/irq32: " David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 23:26   ` [tip:x86/pti] " tip-bot for Andi Kleen
2018-01-11 21:46 ` [PATCH v8 12/12] x86/retpoline: Fill return stack buffer on vmexit David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 23:27   ` [tip:x86/pti] " tip-bot for David Woodhouse
2018-01-11 23:51   ` [PATCH v8 12/12] " Andi Kleen
2018-01-12 11:11     ` [PATCH v8.1 " David Woodhouse
2018-01-12 11:15       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-12 11:21         ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-12 11:37       ` [tip:x86/pti] " tip-bot for David Woodhouse
2018-01-14 14:50         ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-14 15:28           ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-14 15:35         ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-25 12:07         ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-25 12:20           ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-25 12:45             ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-25 15:10               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-25 15:51                 ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-25 16:03                   ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-25 16:56                     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-25 17:00                       ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-25 17:05                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-01-25 17:44                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-25 18:41                           ` Jiri Kosina
2018-01-25 17:10                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-25 17:32                         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-25 17:53                         ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-25 18:04                           ` David Woodhouse
2018-01-25 18:32                             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-25 19:07                             ` Borislav Petkov
2018-01-25 19:10                               ` Borislav Petkov

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