From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C66C433E0 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 18:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6170220734 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 18:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726363AbgFCSKh (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Jun 2020 14:10:37 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:34314 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726103AbgFCSKh (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Jun 2020 14:10:37 -0400 Received: from a3.inai.de (a3.inai.de [IPv6:2a01:4f8:10b:45d8::f5]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE3B2C08C5C0 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 11:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by a3.inai.de (Postfix, from userid 25121) id 3180D58781303; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 20:10:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by a3.inai.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA6E60E6E485; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 20:10:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 20:10:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Jan Engelhardt To: Harald Welte cc: Pablo Neira Ayuso , netfilter@vger.kernel.org, netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [MAINTENANCE] Shutting down FTP services at netfilter.org In-Reply-To: <20200603171621.GC717800@nataraja> Message-ID: References: <20200603113712.GA24918@salvia> <20200603171621.GC717800@nataraja> User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (LSU 394 2020-01-19) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: netfilter-devel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org On Wednesday 2020-06-03 19:16, Harald Welte wrote: > >On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 01:37:12PM +0200, Pablo Neira Ayuso wrote: >> So netfilter.org will also be shutting down FTP services by >> June 12th 2020. > >I always find that somewhat sad, as with HTTP there is no real convenient >way to get directory listings in a standardized / parseable format. There was convention, but no standard. Which is just like what the default directory index modules of the httpd implementations are. >I think the important part would be some way to conveniently obtain a >full clone, e.g. by rsync. This way both public and private mirrors >can exist in an efficient way, without having to resort to 'wget -r' >or related hacks, which then only use file size as an indication if a >file might have changed, ... For completeness though, there is the "Last-Modified" HTTP header (similar to what rsync bases its heuristic on). rsync is of course always preferable..