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From: Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr>
To: Marc Branchaud <marcnarc@xiplink.com>
Cc: "Michael Haggerty" <mhagger@alum.mit.edu>,
	"Carlos Martín Nieto" <cmn@elego.de>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, gitster@pobox.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:37:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <vpqzkblixmb.fsf@bauges.imag.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F5E12A5.6030701@xiplink.com> (Marc Branchaud's message of "Mon, 12 Mar 2012 11:13:41 -0400")

Marc Branchaud <marcnarc@xiplink.com> writes:

> On 12-03-10 01:16 AM, Michael Haggerty wrote:
>> 
>> I propose that the default should be even stricter: like "current", it
>> would push to an branch with the same name as the current local branch,
>> *but only if that branch already exists on the remote*.  It would only
>> be possible to create a new branch on the remote by calling "git push"
>> with an explicit branch argument.  I believe that such a policy would do
>> the right thing in the cases where the "right thing" is pretty
>> unambiguous, and would require a user decision in other cases.
>
> I haven't thought it through very deeply, but at first glance this seems like
> reasonable default behaviour to me.

I do find it reasonable, but I think 'upstream' has several advantages
over it.

* 'upstream' makes "git push" and "git pull" symmetrical. While there
  are workflows where it is usefull to have "push" and "pull" point to
  different branches, I think it is far more intuitive to have this
  symmetry by default.

* For newbies, the sequence "create an empty repository, clone it,
  commit and push" works like a charm with either 'upstream' or
  'current'. Today, the first push to an empty repository requires
  either saying "git push origin master" or "git push --all", both of
  which sound like black magic to the poor user who did not yet learn
  what 'origin' is and what a branch is.

* 'upstream' makes it easy to create a local topic branch, and let
  'push' send it to the master branch (i.e. have local 'topic-branch'
  pull and push to 'origin/master'). In general, 'upstream' allows
  workflows where you push to branches with either a different name or
  with the same name (by setting the upstream appropriately), but the
  opposite is not true.

That being said, I think the mode you Michael described at least
deserves to exist, even if I disagree that it would be the best default.

-- 
Matthieu Moy
http://www-verimag.imag.fr/~moy/

  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-12 16:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-08 10:01 git push default behaviour? Jeremy Morton
2012-03-08 10:11 ` Thomas Rast
2012-03-08 10:13   ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-08 10:28     ` Carlos Martín Nieto
2012-03-08 10:38       ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-08 10:42         ` Carlos Martín Nieto
2012-03-08 10:43           ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-08 18:22             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-08 18:35               ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-08 19:03                 ` Andreas Krey
2012-03-08 19:29                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09  8:05                   ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09  9:50                     ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 11:28                       ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-09 11:54                       ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09 14:42                       ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-19  6:02             ` Miles Bader
2012-03-19 16:12               ` Philippe Vaucher
2012-03-08 15:00           ` Marc Branchaud
2012-03-08 15:26             ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-08 17:49               ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-08 18:04                 ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09  3:38                   ` Jeff King
2012-03-09  5:23                     ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09  5:38                       ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09  8:06                         ` demerphq
2012-03-09  8:48                           ` Thomas Rast
2012-03-09  9:50                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-16  9:38                             ` Gelonida N
2012-03-09  8:25                       ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09  8:31                         ` [RFC PATCH] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09 10:01                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 20:21                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 10:25                           ` Carlos Martín Nieto
2012-03-09 18:30                             ` Marc Branchaud
2012-03-09 21:08                               ` Stefan Haller
2012-03-10 21:05                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-11 20:26                                   ` Stefan Haller
2012-03-12  8:47                                     ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-12 11:22                                       ` Stefan Haller
2012-03-12 12:46                                         ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-12 16:11                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-12 15:10                                 ` Marc Branchaud
2012-03-10  6:16                               ` Michael Haggerty
2012-03-12 15:13                                 ` Marc Branchaud
2012-03-12 16:37                                   ` Matthieu Moy [this message]
2012-03-12 17:53                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-12 18:37                                     ` Jeff King
2012-03-12 19:06                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-12 19:33                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-12 20:16                                         ` Marc Branchaud
2012-03-13  9:40                                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13  9:36                                         ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13 21:30                                         ` Jeff King
2012-03-13 22:54                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-14 13:50                                             ` Jeff King
2012-03-14 20:59                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-13  9:34                                       ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13 13:17                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-13 13:35                                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13 20:01                                             ` Auto-matching upstream branches by name (was: [RFC PATCH] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default) Stefan Haller
2012-03-14  9:10                                               ` Auto-matching upstream branches by name Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13 14:31                                           ` [RFC PATCH] push: start warning upcoming default change for push.default Marc Branchaud
2012-03-13 14:59                                           ` Holger Hellmuth
2012-03-13 17:41                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-14 19:15                                               ` Holger Hellmuth
2012-03-15  8:02                                                 ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-15 10:43                                                   ` Holger Hellmuth
2012-03-13 15:02                                           ` Andreas Ericsson
2012-03-13 21:35                                           ` Jeff King
2012-03-13 18:08                                         ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-14  4:46                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-14 12:47                                             ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-14 17:29                                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-14 17:49                                                 ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-14 20:44                                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-14  9:07                                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-14 13:23                                             ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-14 14:47                                               ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-14 17:47                                                 ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-15  8:05                                                   ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-14  8:59                                       ` Michael Haggerty
2012-03-14 14:00                                         ` Jeff King
2012-03-09 11:26                           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2012-03-16  8:51                           ` Clemens Buchacher
2012-03-16  9:43                             ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-16 12:05                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-16 12:42                                 ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-16 21:48                                   ` Clemens Buchacher
2012-03-17 20:46                                     ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-19 16:11                           ` Andrew Myers
2012-03-09  9:57                         ` git push default behaviour? Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 12:11                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-09 16:22                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 17:44                               ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-09 14:56                           ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-09 16:23                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-13 15:18                               ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-12  9:34                           ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-12 16:29                             ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-13  9:47                               ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-13 12:34                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-16 19:35                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2012-03-17 15:49                           ` Eric Hanchrow
2012-03-08 17:37             ` Dmitry Potapov
2012-03-08 11:33         ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-08 11:34           ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-13 15:27             ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-14 12:12               ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-14 17:16                 ` Jakub Narebski
2012-03-08 11:54       ` Matthieu Moy
2012-03-08 12:12         ` demerphq
2012-03-17  9:36 ` Sebastien Douche
2012-03-17  9:38   ` Jeremy Morton
2012-03-17  9:51     ` Sebastien Douche
2012-03-18 10:26       ` Pavel Pospíšil

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