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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
Cc: "Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, newren@gmail.com, pclouds@gmail.com,
	jrnieder@gmail.com, "Martin Ågren" <martin.agren@gmail.com>,
	"SZEDER Gábor" <szeder.dev@gmail.com>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Derrick Stolee" <derrickstolee@github.com>,
	"Derrick Stolee" <dstolee@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 01/20] sparse-index: design doc and format update
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 13:10:18 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqq8s6d3a39.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <97d57947-dd5f-bb06-cc40-37a23f1db5d9@gmail.com> (Derrick Stolee's message of "Tue, 23 Mar 2021 07:16:33 -0400")

Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com> writes:

>>> +Three important scale dimensions for a Git worktree are:
>> 
>> s/worktree/working tree/; The former is the thing the "git worktree"
>> command deals with.  The latter is relevant even when "git worktree"
>> is not used (the traditional "git clone and you get a working tree
>> to work in").
>
> I guess I'm distracted by using SKIP_WORKTREE a lot, but "working
> directory" is more specific and hence better.

Since the user's current working directory can be outside any
working tree that is governed by any git repository, "working
directory" is a term I try to avoid when describing the directory
where a checkout of a revision lives.

Documentation/glossary-content.txt is where the suggestion for
"working tree" comes from.

> I could rearrange things here. The important things to note are:
>
> 1. Updating index entries is very fast, but adds up at large scale.

This is the "checkout to match the index to the tree of HEAD" part,
ignoring the cost of writing working tree files out?

> 2. It is faster to write a file to disk from Git's object database
>    than it is to compare a file on disk to the copy in the database,
>    which is frequently necessary when the mtime on disk doesn't match
>    the mtime in the index.

True.  But of course, not having to do either (i.e. having a fresh
cached stat info) would be even faster ;-).

>> Also it
>> is unclear what you mean by "changing HEAD only require updating the
>> index".  Certainly when "git switch" flips HEAD from one commit to
>> another, you'd update the index and update the files in the working
>> tree (in the Populated part that is in the sparse-checkout cone) to
>> match, no?
>
> This is unclear of me. I was thinking more on the lines of "git reset"
> (soft mode) which updates HEAD without changing the files on disk.

OK, and that is in line with your "updating index entries is very
fast (but adds up)".

> After all of this postulating, I think that the offending sentences
> are better off deleted. They don't add clarity over what can be
> inferred by an interested reader.

OK.

> I'm mixing terms incorrectly. I think what I really mean is
>
>   In fact, these loops expect to see a reference to every
>   staged file.

OK.

>  The plan is to make all of these integrations "sparse aware" so
>  this expansion through tree parsing is unnecessary and they use
>  fewer resources than when using a full index.

;-)

> I meant by "serialized index file" is that the file written to disk has
> the sparse directory entries, but the in-core copy will not (except for
> a very brief moment in time, during do_read_index()).

Nice.  That would probably mean cache-tree extension on-disk can go
away, because we can populate in-core cache-tree from these entries.
I've always hated the on-disk encoding of that extension.

Or we are not doing this "extra tree" everywhere (i.e. limited only
to the parts that are marked for "sparse checkout")?

Thanks.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-23 20:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 203+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-23 20:14 [PATCH 00/20] Sparse Index: Design, Format, Tests Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-02-23 20:14 ` [PATCH 01/20] sparse-index: design doc and format update Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-02-24  1:13   ` Elijah Newren
2021-02-25 15:29     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-25 20:14       ` Elijah Newren
2021-02-23 20:14 ` [PATCH 02/20] t/perf: add performance test for sparse operations Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-02-24  2:30   ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-09 20:03     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-23 20:14 ` [PATCH 03/20] t1092: clean up script quoting Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-02-23 20:14 ` [PATCH 04/20] sparse-index: add guard to ensure full index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-02-24  2:44   ` Elijah Newren
2021-02-23 20:14 ` [PATCH 05/20] sparse-index: implement ensure_full_index() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-02-24  3:20   ` Elijah Newren
2021-02-23 20:14 ` [PATCH 06/20] t1092: compare sparse-checkout to sparse-index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-02-25  6:37   ` Elijah Newren
2021-02-23 20:14 ` [PATCH 07/20] test-read-cache: print cache entries with --table Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-02-25  7:02   ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-09 21:00     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-23 20:14 ` [PATCH 08/20] test-tool: don't force full index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-02-23 20:14 ` [PATCH 09/20] unpack-trees: ensure " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-02-23 20:14 ` [PATCH 10/20] sparse-checkout: hold pattern list in index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-02-25  7:14   ` Elijah Newren
2021-02-23 20:14 ` [PATCH 11/20] sparse-index: convert from full to sparse Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-02-25  7:33   ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-09 21:13     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-23 20:14 ` [PATCH 12/20] submodule: sparse-index should not collapse links Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-02-23 20:14 ` [PATCH 13/20] unpack-trees: allow sparse directories Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-02-25  7:40   ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-09 21:35     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-09 21:39       ` Elijah Newren
2021-02-23 20:14 ` [PATCH 14/20] sparse-index: check index conversion happens Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-02-23 20:14 ` [PATCH 15/20] sparse-index: create extension for compatibility Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-02-25  7:45   ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-09 21:45     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-23 20:14 ` [PATCH 16/20] sparse-checkout: toggle sparse index from builtin Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-02-24 19:11   ` Martin Ågren
2021-03-09 20:52     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-09 21:03       ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-09 21:10         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-09 21:38           ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-14 20:08       ` Martin Ågren
2021-03-15 13:36         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-23 20:14 ` [PATCH 17/20] sparse-checkout: disable sparse-index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-02-27 12:32   ` SZEDER Gábor
2021-03-09 20:20     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-10 18:20       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-23 20:14 ` [PATCH 18/20] cache-tree: integrate with sparse directory entries Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-02-23 20:14 ` [PATCH 19/20] sparse-index: loose integration with cache_tree_verify() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-02-23 20:14 ` [PATCH 20/20] p2000: add sparse-index repos Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-02-23 23:49 ` [PATCH 00/20] Sparse Index: Design, Format, Tests Elijah Newren
2021-02-26 21:28   ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-10 19:30 ` [PATCH v2 " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10 19:30   ` [PATCH v2 01/20] sparse-index: design doc and format update Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10 22:19     ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-10 19:30   ` [PATCH v2 02/20] t/perf: add performance test for sparse operations Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10 19:30   ` [PATCH v2 03/20] t1092: clean up script quoting Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10 19:30   ` [PATCH v2 04/20] sparse-index: add guard to ensure full index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10 19:30   ` [PATCH v2 05/20] sparse-index: implement ensure_full_index() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-12  6:50     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-12 13:56       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-12 20:08         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-12 20:11           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-15 23:52             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-10 19:30   ` [PATCH v2 06/20] t1092: compare sparse-checkout to sparse-index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10 23:04     ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-11 14:17       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-10 19:30   ` [PATCH v2 07/20] test-read-cache: print cache entries with --table Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10 19:30   ` [PATCH v2 08/20] test-tool: don't force full index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10 19:30   ` [PATCH v2 09/20] unpack-trees: ensure " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10 19:30   ` [PATCH v2 10/20] sparse-checkout: hold pattern list in index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10 19:30   ` [PATCH v2 11/20] sparse-index: convert from full to sparse Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10 23:44     ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-11 14:13       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-10 19:30   ` [PATCH v2 12/20] submodule: sparse-index should not collapse links Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10 19:30   ` [PATCH v2 13/20] unpack-trees: allow sparse directories Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10 19:30   ` [PATCH v2 14/20] sparse-index: check index conversion happens Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10 19:30   ` [PATCH v2 15/20] sparse-index: create extension for compatibility Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10 19:30   ` [PATCH v2 16/20] sparse-checkout: toggle sparse index from builtin Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10 19:31   ` [PATCH v2 17/20] sparse-checkout: disable sparse-index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10 19:31   ` [PATCH v2 18/20] cache-tree: integrate with sparse directory entries Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10 19:31   ` [PATCH v2 19/20] sparse-index: loose integration with cache_tree_verify() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-10 19:31   ` [PATCH v2 20/20] p2000: add sparse-index repos Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-11  0:07   ` [PATCH v2 00/20] Sparse Index: Design, Format, Tests Elijah Newren
2021-03-16 16:42   ` [PATCH v3 " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-16 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 01/20] sparse-index: design doc and format update Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-19 23:43       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-23 11:16         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-23 20:10           ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2021-03-23 20:42             ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-16 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 02/20] t/perf: add performance test for sparse operations Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-17  8:41       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-17 13:05         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-17 13:21           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-17 18:02             ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-16 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 03/20] t1092: clean up script quoting Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-17  8:47       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-16 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 04/20] sparse-index: add guard to ensure full index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-16 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 05/20] sparse-index: implement ensure_full_index() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-17 13:03       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-16 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 06/20] t1092: compare sparse-checkout to sparse-index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-16 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 07/20] test-read-cache: print cache entries with --table Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-17 13:28       ` [RFC/PATCH 0/5] " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-17 18:28         ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-17 19:46           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-17 20:26             ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-17 20:34               ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-17 13:28       ` [RFC/PATCH 1/5] ls-files: defer read_index() after parse_options() etc Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-17 13:28       ` [RFC/PATCH 2/5] ls-files: make "mode" in show_ce() loop a variable Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-17 18:11         ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-24  0:46           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-17 13:28       ` [RFC/PATCH 3/5] ls-files: add and use a new --sparse option Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-17 18:19         ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-17 18:27           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-17 18:44             ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-17 20:43         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-24  0:52           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-17 13:28       ` [RFC/PATCH 4/5] test-tool read-cache: --table is redundant to ls-files Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-17 13:28       ` [RFC/PATCH 5/5] test-tool: split up test-tool read-cache Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-17 13:32         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-16 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 08/20] test-tool: don't force full index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-16 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 09/20] unpack-trees: ensure " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-16 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 10/20] sparse-checkout: hold pattern list in index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-16 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 11/20] sparse-index: convert from full to sparse Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-17 13:43       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-17 19:55         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-18 13:38           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-16 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 12/20] submodule: sparse-index should not collapse links Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-16 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 13/20] unpack-trees: allow sparse directories Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-17 13:35       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-16 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 14/20] sparse-index: check index conversion happens Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-16 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 15/20] sparse-index: create extension for compatibility Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-16 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 16/20] sparse-checkout: toggle sparse index from builtin Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-16 16:43     ` [PATCH v3 17/20] sparse-checkout: disable sparse-index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-16 16:43     ` [PATCH v3 18/20] cache-tree: integrate with sparse directory entries Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-16 16:43     ` [PATCH v3 19/20] sparse-index: loose integration with cache_tree_verify() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-16 16:43     ` [PATCH v3 20/20] p2000: add sparse-index repos Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-16 16:59     ` [PATCH v3 00/20] Sparse Index: Design, Format, Tests Derrick Stolee
2021-03-16 21:18     ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-18 21:50     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-19 13:00       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-23 13:44     ` [PATCH v4 " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-23 13:44       ` [PATCH v4 01/20] sparse-index: design doc and format update Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-26 20:29         ` SZEDER Gábor
2021-03-28  1:47           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-29 14:32             ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-23 13:44       ` [PATCH v4 02/20] t/perf: add performance test for sparse operations Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-23 13:44       ` [PATCH v4 03/20] t1092: clean up script quoting Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-23 13:44       ` [PATCH v4 04/20] sparse-index: add guard to ensure full index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-23 13:44       ` [PATCH v4 05/20] sparse-index: implement ensure_full_index() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-23 13:44       ` [PATCH v4 06/20] t1092: compare sparse-checkout to sparse-index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-23 13:44       ` [PATCH v4 07/20] test-read-cache: print cache entries with --table Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-24  1:24         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-24 12:33           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-25  3:41             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-26  0:12               ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-28 15:31                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-29 19:46                   ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-29 21:44                     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-30 11:28                       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-29 23:06                     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-03-30 11:41                       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-29 22:02                   ` Elijah Newren
2021-03-23 13:44       ` [PATCH v4 08/20] test-tool: don't force full index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-23 13:44       ` [PATCH v4 09/20] unpack-trees: ensure " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-23 13:44       ` [PATCH v4 10/20] sparse-checkout: hold pattern list in index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-23 13:44       ` [PATCH v4 11/20] sparse-index: convert from full to sparse Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-23 13:44       ` [PATCH v4 12/20] submodule: sparse-index should not collapse links Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-23 13:44       ` [PATCH v4 13/20] unpack-trees: allow sparse directories Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-23 13:44       ` [PATCH v4 14/20] sparse-index: check index conversion happens Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-23 13:44       ` [PATCH v4 15/20] sparse-index: create extension for compatibility Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-23 13:44       ` [PATCH v4 16/20] sparse-checkout: toggle sparse index from builtin Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-23 13:44       ` [PATCH v4 17/20] sparse-checkout: disable sparse-index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-23 13:44       ` [PATCH v4 18/20] cache-tree: integrate with sparse directory entries Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-23 13:44       ` [PATCH v4 19/20] sparse-index: loose integration with cache_tree_verify() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-23 13:44       ` [PATCH v4 20/20] p2000: add sparse-index repos Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-23 16:16       ` [PATCH v4 00/20] Sparse Index: Design, Format, Tests Elijah Newren
2021-03-30 13:10       ` [PATCH v5 00/21] " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 13:10         ` [PATCH v5 01/21] sparse-index: design doc and format update Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 13:10         ` [PATCH v5 02/21] t/perf: add performance test for sparse operations Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 13:10         ` [PATCH v5 03/21] t1092: clean up script quoting Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 13:10         ` [PATCH v5 04/21] sparse-index: add guard to ensure full index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 13:10         ` [PATCH v5 05/21] sparse-index: implement ensure_full_index() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 13:10         ` [PATCH v5 06/21] t1092: compare sparse-checkout to sparse-index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 13:10         ` [PATCH v5 07/21] test-read-cache: print cache entries with --table Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 13:10         ` [PATCH v5 08/21] test-tool: don't force full index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 13:10         ` [PATCH v5 09/21] unpack-trees: ensure " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 13:10         ` [PATCH v5 10/21] sparse-checkout: hold pattern list in index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 13:10         ` [PATCH v5 11/21] sparse-index: add 'sdir' index extension Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 13:10         ` [PATCH v5 12/21] sparse-index: convert from full to sparse Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 13:10         ` [PATCH v5 13/21] submodule: sparse-index should not collapse links Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 13:10         ` [PATCH v5 14/21] unpack-trees: allow sparse directories Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 13:10         ` [PATCH v5 15/21] sparse-index: check index conversion happens Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 13:10         ` [PATCH v5 16/21] sparse-index: add index.sparse config option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 13:11         ` [PATCH v5 17/21] sparse-checkout: toggle sparse index from builtin Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 13:11         ` [PATCH v5 18/21] sparse-checkout: disable sparse-index Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 13:11         ` [PATCH v5 19/21] cache-tree: integrate with sparse directory entries Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 13:11         ` [PATCH v5 20/21] sparse-index: loose integration with cache_tree_verify() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 13:11         ` [PATCH v5 21/21] p2000: add sparse-index repos Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-03-30 20:11         ` [PATCH v5 00/21] Sparse Index: Design, Format, Tests Junio C Hamano
2021-03-30 21:31           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-03-30 21:49             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-01  5:59             ` Elijah Newren
2021-04-01  4:38         ` Elijah Newren

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