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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Derrick Stolee <derrickstolee@github.com>
Cc: Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] rebase: mark --update-refs as requiring the merge backend
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 07:27:34 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqr0vpxm3d.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f480813c-7583-179f-0149-d970d3f2519f@github.com> (Derrick Stolee's message of "Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:47:53 -0500")

Derrick Stolee <derrickstolee@github.com> writes:

>> +	if (options.update_refs)
>> +		imply_merge(&options, "--update-refs");
>> +
>
> This solution is very elegant. The only downside is the lack of warning
> if --update-refs was implied by rebase.updateRefs=true, but I'm happy to
> delay implementing that warning in favor of your complete solution here.

If features A and B are incompatible and both can be specified from
both command line and configuration, ideally I would expect the
system to operate in one of two ways.  I haven't thought it through
to decide which one I prefer between the two.

 * Take "command line trumps configuration" one step further, so
   that A that is configured but not asked for from the command
   line is defeated by B that is asked for from the command line.

   This way, only when A and B are both requested via the
   configuration, of via the command line, we'd fail the operation
   by saying A and B are incompatible.  Otherwise, the one that is
   configured but overridden is turned off (either silently or with
   a warning).

 * Declare "command line trumps configuration" is only among the
   same feature.  Regardless of how features A and B that are
   incompatible are requested, the command will error out, citing
   incompatibility.  It would be very nice if the warning mentioned
   where the requests for features A and B came from (e.g. "You
   asked for -B from the command line, but you have A configured,
   and both cannot be active at the same time---disable A from the
   command line, or do not ask for B")

   When A is configured and B is requested from the command line,
   the command will error out, and the user must defeat A from the
   command line before the user can use B, e.g. "git cmd --no-A -B".

A knee-jerk reaction to the situation is that the latter feels
somewhat safer than the former, but when I imagine the actual end
user who saw the error message, especially the suggested solution
"disable A from the command line or do not ask for B from the
command line", may say "well, I asked for B for this invocation
explicitly with -B from the command line, and you(Git) should be
able to make it imply --no-A", which amounts to the same thing as
the former choice.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-01-20 15:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-19  5:36 [PATCH] rebase: mark --update-refs as requiring the merge backend Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-19 21:47 ` Derrick Stolee
2023-01-20  1:54   ` Elijah Newren
2023-01-20 15:27   ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2023-01-20 16:47     ` Elijah Newren
2023-01-20  4:56 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] " Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-20  4:56   ` [PATCH v2 1/2] rebase: remove completely useless -C option Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-20  5:40     ` Eric Sunshine
2023-01-20  6:42       ` Elijah Newren
2023-01-20  9:55     ` Martin Ågren
2023-01-20 15:32       ` Elijah Newren
2023-01-20 12:05     ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-20 15:31       ` Elijah Newren
2023-01-20 16:15         ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-21  4:52           ` Elijah Newren
2023-01-22  0:02             ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-20  4:56   ` [PATCH v2 2/2] rebase: mark --update-refs as requiring the merge backend Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-20 16:46     ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-21  1:34       ` Elijah Newren
2023-01-21  1:55   ` [PATCH v3 0/7] rebase: fix several code/testing/documentation issues around flag incompatibilities Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-21  1:55     ` [PATCH v3 1/7] rebase: mark --update-refs as requiring the merge backend Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-21  1:55     ` [PATCH v3 2/7] rebase: flag --apply and --merge as incompatible Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-21  1:55     ` [PATCH v3 3/7] rebase: remove --allow-empty-message from incompatible opts Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-21 15:09       ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-21  1:55     ` [PATCH v3 4/7] rebase: fix docs about incompatibilities with --root Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-21  1:55     ` [PATCH v3 5/7] rebase: add coverage of other incompatible options Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-21 15:20       ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-21 19:25         ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-22  5:11           ` Elijah Newren
2023-01-21  1:55     ` [PATCH v3 6/7] rebase: clarify the OPT_CMDMODE incompatibilities Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-21  1:55     ` [PATCH v3 7/7] rebase: fix formatting of rebase --reapply-cherry-picks option in docs Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-21 15:21       ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-22  6:12     ` [PATCH v4 0/9] rebase: fix several code/testing/documentation issues around flag incompatibilities Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-22  6:12       ` [PATCH v4 1/9] rebase: mark --update-refs as requiring the merge backend Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-22  6:12       ` [PATCH v4 2/9] rebase: flag --apply and --merge as incompatible Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-22  6:12       ` [PATCH v4 3/9] rebase: remove --allow-empty-message from incompatible opts Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-22  6:12       ` [PATCH v4 4/9] rebase: fix docs about incompatibilities with --root Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-22  6:12       ` [PATCH v4 5/9] rebase: add coverage of other incompatible options Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-23 20:08         ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-24  2:36           ` Elijah Newren
2023-01-24 10:27             ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-24 13:16               ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-24 14:48                 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-24 15:41                 ` Elijah Newren
2023-01-24 16:48                   ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-24 17:12                     ` Elijah Newren
2023-01-24 19:21                       ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-22  6:12       ` [PATCH v4 6/9] rebase: clarify the OPT_CMDMODE incompatibilities Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-22  6:12       ` [PATCH v4 7/9] rebase: fix formatting of rebase --reapply-cherry-picks option in docs Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-22  6:12       ` [PATCH v4 8/9] rebase: put rebase_options initialization in single place Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-22  6:12       ` [PATCH v4 9/9] rebase: provide better error message for apply options vs. merge config Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-23 15:56       ` [PATCH v4 0/9] rebase: fix several code/testing/documentation issues around flag incompatibilities Derrick Stolee
2023-01-24  2:05         ` Elijah Newren
2023-01-25  4:03       ` [PATCH v5 00/10] " Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-25  4:03         ` [PATCH v5 01/10] rebase: mark --update-refs as requiring the merge backend Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-25  4:03         ` [PATCH v5 02/10] rebase: flag --apply and --merge as incompatible Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-25  4:03         ` [PATCH v5 03/10] rebase: remove --allow-empty-message from incompatible opts Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-25  4:03         ` [PATCH v5 04/10] rebase: fix docs about incompatibilities with --root Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-25  4:03         ` [PATCH v5 05/10] rebase: fix incompatiblity checks for --[no-]reapply-cherry-picks Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-25 14:14           ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-25  4:03         ` [PATCH v5 06/10] rebase: add coverage of other incompatible options Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-25  4:03         ` [PATCH v5 07/10] rebase: clarify the OPT_CMDMODE incompatibilities Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-25  4:03         ` [PATCH v5 08/10] rebase: fix formatting of rebase --reapply-cherry-picks option in docs Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-25  4:03         ` [PATCH v5 09/10] rebase: put rebase_options initialization in single place Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-25  4:03         ` [PATCH v5 10/10] rebase: provide better error message for apply options vs. merge config Elijah Newren via GitGitGadget
2023-01-25 14:17         ` [PATCH v5 00/10] rebase: fix several code/testing/documentation issues around flag incompatibilities Phillip Wood
2023-01-25 16:39         ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-25 16:48           ` Elijah Newren
2023-02-02 10:29         ` rebase --merge vs --whitespace=fix, was " Johannes Schindelin
2023-02-02 23:48           ` Elijah Newren

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