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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, Eric Sunshine <sunshine@sunshineco.com>,
	Philippe Blain <levraiphilippeblain@gmail.com>,
	Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>, Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, Teng Long <dyroneteng@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 08/10] docs: move pack format docs to man section 5
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2022 09:25:13 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqv8r9b8gm.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <patch-v7-08.10-3505fa86039-20220802T125258Z-avarab@gmail.com> (=?utf-8?B?IsOGdmFyIEFybmZqw7Zyw7A=?= Bjarmason"'s message of "Tue, 2 Aug 2022 14:56:57 +0200")

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason  <avarab@gmail.com> writes:

> @@ -125,7 +139,7 @@ Git index format
>      entry is encoded as if the path name for the previous entry is an
>      empty string).  At the beginning of an entry, an integer N in the
>      variable width encoding (the same encoding as the offset is encoded
> -    for OFS_DELTA pack entries; see pack-format.txt) is stored, followed
> +    for OFS_DELTA pack entries; see linkgit:gitformat-pack[5]) is stored, followed

Possible #leftoverbits for cleaning up around here are:

 * Update the above description to use the term "offset encoding"
   from gitformat-patck[5] to give readers the term to look for;

 * Update <varint.h> and mention that the encode/decode pair
   declared there are to handle variable-length integers in the
   "offset encoding".

 * We might want to add an entry to the glossary, but the varint
   representation is not end-user facing, so it may not be necessary
   and the mention in <varint.h> would be enough.

> diff --git a/Documentation/technical/cruft-packs.txt b/Documentation/gitformat-pack-cruft.txt
> similarity index 96%
> rename from Documentation/technical/cruft-packs.txt
> rename to Documentation/gitformat-pack-cruft.txt
> index d81f3a8982f..908f752bd84 100644
> --- a/Documentation/technical/cruft-packs.txt
> +++ b/Documentation/gitformat-pack-cruft.txt
> @@ -1,4 +1,17 @@
> -= Cruft packs
> +gitformat-pack-cruft(5)
> +=======================
> +
> +NAME
> +----
> +gitformat-pack-cruft - The cruft pack file format
> +
> +SYNOPSIS
> +--------
> +[verse]
> +$GIT_DIR/objects/pack/pack-*.mtimes

I do not think this is quite right.

A reader who wants to learn about cruft packs, they need to know:

 * what a packfile is and what is in .pack/.idx pair, as a
   prerequisite information, that is described elsewhere

 * what it is, what it is used for, and how it is meant to be used,
   why the mtimes from the original loose objects need to be kept,
   all of which is not file-format per-se, but is part of the
   design, described in the original technical/cruft-packs.txt

 * how .mtimes file records the _additional_ pieces of per-object
   information only maintained for the "cruft pack" objects.

The original technical/cruft-packs.txt document was the design
document for the cruft packs feature as a whole, and it made sense
to write about both design and the implementation detail of the
mtimes format.

But that is not "cruft pack file format".  I think this can be fixed
either by having at least two documents (one for "cruft packs"
overall design, plus another one for "mtimes file format"), or by
having one document that is clearly more than "file format".  The
posted patch gives us a mixture of the two, that results in neither
of the two.

Stepping back a bit, unless we have separate .pack(5) and .idx(5)
manual pages, I suspect that having the format of .pack, .idx, .midx,
and .mtimes described in the same "file formats for packfiles" document
might make more sense.  After all, those who come to the packfile format
document from "pack protocol" document do not mind that the former talks
about .idx file, which they would find no use for.

I hope Taylor can help us with his input when he comes back from his
honeymoon.

> diff --git a/Documentation/technical/pack-format.txt b/Documentation/gitformat-pack.txt
> similarity index 95%
> rename from Documentation/technical/pack-format.txt
> rename to Documentation/gitformat-pack.txt
> index b520aa9c45b..546c99f8871 100644
> --- a/Documentation/technical/pack-format.txt
> +++ b/Documentation/gitformat-pack.txt
> @@ -1,5 +1,29 @@
> -Git pack format
> -===============
> +gitformat-pack(5)
> +=================
> +
> +NAME
> +----
> +gitformat-pack - Git pack format

OK.

> diff --git a/command-list.txt b/command-list.txt
> index ed859fdd798..4f30a6c30c8 100644
> --- a/command-list.txt
> +++ b/command-list.txt
> @@ -210,7 +210,12 @@ gitdiffcore                             guide
>  giteveryday                             guide
>  gitfaq                                  guide
>  gitformat-bundle                        developerinterfaces
> +gitformat-chunk                         developerinterfaces
>  gitformat-commit-graph                  developerinterfaces
> +gitformat-index                         developerinterfaces
> +gitformat-pack                          developerinterfaces
> +gitformat-pack-cruft                    developerinterfaces
> +gitformat-signature                     developerinterfaces
>  gitglossary                             guide
>  githooks                                userinterfaces
>  gitignore                               userinterfaces

OK.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-03 16:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-15  2:05 [PATCH 0/2] git(1) doc + "git help": split-out user & git format docs Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-15  2:05 ` [PATCH 1/2] git(1) docs: split "User-facing file formats" off from "Guides" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-15  2:05 ` [PATCH 2/2] git(1) docs: create a "Git file and wire formats" section Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-12 19:49 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] git doc + "git help": move "format" docs from technical/* Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-12 19:49   ` [PATCH v2 1/5] git docs: split "User-facing file formats" off from "Guides" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-12 19:49   ` [PATCH v2 2/5] git docs: create a "Git file and wire formats" section Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-12 22:30     ` Eric Sunshine
2021-12-13  9:33       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-12 19:49   ` [PATCH v2 3/5] docs: move commit-graph format docs to man section 5 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-12 19:49   ` [PATCH v2 4/5] docs: move protocol-related " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-12 19:49   ` [PATCH v2 5/5] docs: move {index,signature,bitmap,chunk}-format " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-12 20:06   ` [PATCH v3 0/7] git doc + "git help": move "format" docs from technical/* Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-12 20:06     ` [PATCH v3 1/7] git docs: split "User-facing file formats" off from "Guides" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-13  1:09       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-12 20:06     ` [PATCH v3 2/7] git docs: create a "Git file formats and protocols" section Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-12 20:06     ` [PATCH v3 3/7] docs: move commit-graph format docs to man section 5 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-12 20:06     ` [PATCH v3 4/7] docs: move protocol-related " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-12 20:07     ` [PATCH v3 5/7] docs: move pack format " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-12 20:07     ` [PATCH v3 6/7] docs: move http-protocol " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-12 20:07     ` [PATCH v3 7/7] docs: move multi-pack-index " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-18 13:29     ` [PATCH v4 0/8] git doc + "git help": move "format" docs from technical/* Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-18 13:29       ` [PATCH v4 1/8] help.c: BUG() out if "help --guides" can't remove "git" prefixes Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-18 17:03         ` Junio C Hamano
2022-07-18 13:29       ` [PATCH v4 2/8] git docs: split "User-facing file formats" off from "Guides" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-18 17:17         ` Junio C Hamano
2022-07-18 18:41           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-19 23:21             ` Junio C Hamano
2022-07-21  7:02               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-18 13:29       ` [PATCH v4 3/8] git docs: create a "Git file formats and protocols" section Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-18 13:29       ` [PATCH v4 4/8] docs: move commit-graph format docs to man section 5 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-18 13:29       ` [PATCH v4 5/8] docs: move protocol-related " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-18 13:29       ` [PATCH v4 6/8] docs: move pack format " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-18 13:29       ` [PATCH v4 7/8] docs: move http-protocol " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-18 13:29       ` [PATCH v4 8/8] docs: move multi-pack-index " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-18 16:54       ` [PATCH v4 0/8] git doc + "git help": move "format" docs from technical/* Junio C Hamano
2022-07-18 17:58         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-21  7:12           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-21 16:13       ` [PATCH v5 0/9] docs: create & use "(user|developer) interfaces" categories Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-21 16:13         ` [PATCH v5 1/9] help.c: BUG() out if "help --guides" can't remove "git" prefixes Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-21 16:13         ` [PATCH v5 2/9] git help doc: use "<doc>" instead of "<guide>" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-21 16:13         ` [PATCH v5 3/9] git docs: add a category for user-facing file, repo and command UX Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-21 16:13         ` [PATCH v5 4/9] git docs: add a category for file formats, protocols and interfaces Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-21 17:31           ` Eric Sunshine
2022-07-21 16:13         ` [PATCH v5 5/9] docs: move commit-graph format docs to man section 5 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-21 16:13         ` [PATCH v5 6/9] docs: move protocol-related " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-21 16:13         ` [PATCH v5 7/9] docs: move pack format " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-21 16:13         ` [PATCH v5 8/9] docs: move http-protocol " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-21 16:13         ` [PATCH v5 9/9] docs: move multi-pack-index " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-21 18:13         ` [PATCH v5 0/9] docs: create & use "(user|developer) interfaces" categories Junio C Hamano
2022-07-28 16:46         ` [PATCH v6 " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-28 16:46           ` [PATCH v6 1/9] help.c: BUG() out if "help --guides" can't remove "git" prefixes Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-30  0:17             ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-01 11:55               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-01 16:45                 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-07-28 16:46           ` [PATCH v6 2/9] git help doc: use "<doc>" instead of "<guide>" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-28 16:46           ` [PATCH v6 3/9] git docs: add a category for user-facing file, repo and command UX Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-28 16:46           ` [PATCH v6 4/9] git docs: add a category for file formats, protocols and interfaces Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-28 16:46           ` [PATCH v6 5/9] docs: move commit-graph format docs to man section 5 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-28 16:46           ` [PATCH v6 6/9] docs: move protocol-related " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-28 16:46           ` [PATCH v6 7/9] docs: move pack format " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-28 16:46           ` [PATCH v6 8/9] docs: move http-protocol " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-28 16:46           ` [PATCH v6 9/9] docs: move multi-pack-index " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-07-28 20:40           ` [PATCH v6 0/9] docs: create & use "(user|developer) interfaces" categories Junio C Hamano
2022-08-02 12:56           ` [PATCH v7 00/10] " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-02 12:56             ` [PATCH v7 01/10] help.c: refactor drop_prefix() to use a "switch" statement" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-02 23:01               ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-02 12:56             ` [PATCH v7 02/10] help.c: remove common category behavior from drop_prefix() behavior Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-02 12:56             ` [PATCH v7 03/10] git help doc: use "<doc>" instead of "<guide>" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-02 12:56             ` [PATCH v7 04/10] git docs: add a category for user-facing file, repo and command UX Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-02 12:56             ` [PATCH v7 05/10] git docs: add a category for file formats, protocols and interfaces Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-02 23:08               ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-02 12:56             ` [PATCH v7 06/10] docs: move commit-graph format docs to man section 5 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-03 15:48               ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-02 12:56             ` [PATCH v7 07/10] docs: move protocol-related " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-03 15:53               ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-04 16:29                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-04 19:30                   ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-05  8:36                     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-02 12:56             ` [PATCH v7 08/10] docs: move pack format " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-03 16:25               ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2022-08-02 12:56             ` [PATCH v7 09/10] docs: move http-protocol " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-03 16:31               ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-02 12:56             ` [PATCH v7 10/10] docs: move multi-pack-index " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-03 16:37               ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-04 16:28             ` [PATCH v8 00/12] docs: create & use "(user|developer) interfaces" categories Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-04 16:28               ` [PATCH v8 01/12] help.c: refactor drop_prefix() to use a "switch" statement" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-04 21:16                 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-04 16:28               ` [PATCH v8 02/12] help.c: remove common category behavior from drop_prefix() behavior Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-04 16:28               ` [PATCH v8 03/12] git help doc: use "<doc>" instead of "<guide>" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-04 16:28               ` [PATCH v8 04/12] git docs: add a category for user-facing file, repo and command UX Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-04 16:28               ` [PATCH v8 05/12] git docs: add a category for file formats, protocols and interfaces Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-04 16:28               ` [PATCH v8 06/12] docs: move commit-graph format docs to man section 5 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-04 21:18                 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-11-08 18:04                 ` SZEDER Gábor
2022-11-08 19:16                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-08 21:27                     ` SZEDER Gábor
2022-11-09  1:34                       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-21 14:15                         ` [PATCH] docs: de-indent first paragraph of gitformat-* to flow the text Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-21 17:59                           ` Jeff King
2022-11-22  0:36                           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-04 16:28               ` [PATCH v8 07/12] docs: move protocol-related docs to man section 5 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-04 16:28               ` [PATCH v8 08/12] docs: move index format " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-04 21:24                 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-04 16:28               ` [PATCH v8 09/12] docs: move signature " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-04 21:25                 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-04 16:28               ` [PATCH v8 10/12] docs: move pack format " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-04 16:28               ` [PATCH v8 11/12] docs: move cruft pack docs to gitformat-pack Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-04 21:34                 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-05  8:29                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-05 16:12                     ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-04 16:28               ` [PATCH v8 12/12] docs: move http-protocol docs to man section 5 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-04 21:36               ` [PATCH v8 00/12] docs: create & use "(user|developer) interfaces" categories Junio C Hamano

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