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From: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
To: Mark Lord <kernel@teksavvy.com>
Cc: Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@suse.de>,
	Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>, Josef Bacik <josef@redhat.com>,
	Lukas Czerner <lczerner@redhat.com>,
	tytso@mit.edu, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	sandeen@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] fs: Do not dispatch FITRIM through separate super_operation
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:52:19 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <yq1r5eiw5os.fsf@sermon.lab.mkp.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CE59E57.2090009@teksavvy.com> (Mark Lord's message of "Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:44:55 -0500")

>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Lord <kernel@teksavvy.com> writes:

>> 2) FITRIM doesn't leverage the fact the a TRIM command can handle
>> multiple ranges per TRIM command payload.  I haven't seen any FITRIM
>> vs. wiper.sh benchmarks, so I don't know what impact that has in
>> practice.  Mark Lord thought that this lacking feature would cause
>> FITRIM to take minutes or hours with some hardware.  Especially early
>> generation SSDs.

Mark> If FITRIM is still issuing single-range-at-a-time TRIMs, then I'd
Mark> call that a BUG that needs fixing.  Doing TRIM like that causes
Mark> tons of unnecessary ERASE cycles, shortening the SSD lifetime.  It
Mark> really needs to batch them into groups of (up to) 64 ranges at a
Mark> time (64 ranges fits into a single 512-byte parameter block).

We don't support coalescing discontiguous requests into one command. But
we will issue contiguous TRIM requests as big as the payload can
handle. That's just short of two gigs per command given a 512-byte
block.

I spent quite a bit of time trying to make coalescing work in the
spring. It got very big and unwieldy. When we discussed it at the
filesystem summit the consensus was that it was too intrusive to the I/O
stack, elevators, etc.

I have previously posted a list of reasons why it is hard to support
given how our I/O stack works. I can dig them out if there's interest.

-- 
Martin K. Petersen	Oracle Linux Engineering

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-11-18 23:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-18  7:36 [PATCH 1/2] fs: Do not dispatch FITRIM through separate super_operation Lukas Czerner
2010-11-18  7:36 ` [PATCH 2/2] ext4: Add EXT4_IOC_TRIM ioctl to handle batched discard Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 16:19   ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 16:26     ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-20  1:37       ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-18 13:06 ` [PATCH 1/2] fs: Do not dispatch FITRIM through separate super_operation Matthew Wilcox
2010-11-18 13:48   ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-18 14:19     ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-11-18 14:29       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-18 17:19         ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 17:22           ` Jeff Moyer
2010-11-18 17:41             ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 20:04               ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-18 20:04                 ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-18 21:42                 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 21:44                 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 21:50                   ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 22:07                     ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19  1:33                       ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19  3:44                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19  3:44                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19  3:44                           ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 13:58                           ` Jeff Moyer
2010-11-18 23:52                   ` Martin K. Petersen [this message]
2010-11-19  0:34                     ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19  1:16                       ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-19  1:16                         ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-19 11:55                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:01                           ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:06                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:48                               ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:54                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 15:24                                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:34                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 16:20                           ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-19 16:38                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 18:06                               ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 18:10                                 ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 18:14                                   ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 19:29                                 ` Chris Mason
2010-11-19  1:49                       ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-11-19  3:42                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 18:05             ` Jamie Lokier
2010-11-18 19:32               ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-18 21:45                 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 21:50                   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-18 22:09                     ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 17:35           ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 12:16             ` Steven Whitehouse
2010-11-19 13:53               ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:02                 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 14:10                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:10                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:10                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 15:37                     ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 15:50                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 15:50                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 15:50                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 16:16                         ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 14:50                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:50                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:50                     ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:35                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:35                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:35                     ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:44                     ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 16:30                       ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 22:49                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 22:49                           ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 22:49                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25  2:48                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25  2:48                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25  2:48                           ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25  4:23                           ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-11-25 14:44                             ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25  4:41                           ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-25  4:41                             ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-25 14:53                             ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25 16:24                               ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-25 16:24                                 ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-26 13:49                                 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-26 14:00                                   ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-18 17:55           ` Chris Mason
2010-12-03 18:24             ` Ric Wheeler
2010-11-18 21:37           ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 11:09             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 13:54               ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:40             ` Chris Mason
2010-11-19 14:53               ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:57                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 15:21                   ` Mark Lord
2010-12-07  9:27                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-12-07 16:52                       ` Chris Mason
2011-06-02  4:52                         ` Kyungmin Park
2011-06-02  8:14                           ` Lukas Czerner
2011-06-03  2:06                           ` Dave Chinner
2011-06-03  2:06                             ` Dave Chinner
2011-06-03  4:25                             ` Kyungmin Park
2011-06-03  4:25                               ` Kyungmin Park
2010-11-19 15:30                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-21 19:07                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-11-21 20:20                   ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 14:31       ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-18 14:36         ` Tao Ma
2010-11-19 15:41 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 15:50   ` Christoph Hellwig

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