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From: "Måns Rullgård" <mans@mansr.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: romieu@fr.zoreil.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, slash.tmp@free.fr
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] net: ethernet: add driver for Aurora VLSI NB8800 Ethernet controller
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 19:35:05 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <yw1x37wcnxcm.fsf@unicorn.mansr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151111.142650.1297832998846138251.davem@davemloft.net> (David Miller's message of "Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:26:50 -0500 (EST)")

David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> writes:

> From: Måns Rullgård <mans@mansr.com>
> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 19:25:46 +0000
>
>> David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> writes:
>> 
>>> From: Måns Rullgård <mans@mansr.com>
>>> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 19:17:07 +0000
>>>
>>>> David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> writes:
>>>> 
>>>>> From: Måns Rullgård <mans@mansr.com>
>>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 19:09:19 +0000
>>>>>
>>>>>> David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> writes:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: Måns Rullgård <mans@mansr.com>
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 18:25:05 +0000
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the TX DMA channel is idle when start_xmit is called, it can be
>>>>>>>> started immediately.  Checking the DMA status and starting it if
>>>>>>>> idle has to be done atomically somehow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ->ndo_start_xmit() is guaranteed to be invoked atomically, protected
>>>>>>> by the TX queue spinlock.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, but the DMA needs to be restarted from some other context if it was
>>>>>> busy when start_xmit checked.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you can probably use the TXQ lock in the interrupt handler just for
>>>>> that.
>>>> 
>>>> That seems a bit heavy-handed when the critical section for this is only
>>>> a tiny part of the start_xmit function.
>>>
>>> Then what synchornization primitive other than spin locks are you going
>>> to use for this?
>>>
>>> My point is that there is a spinlock the core code is _already_ taking,
>>> unconditionally, when ->ndo_start_xmit() executes.  And you can therefore
>>> take advantage of that rather than using another lock of your own.
>> 
>> I get that.  But that remains locked for the duration of ndo_start_xmit()
>> whereas the part that needs to be synchronised with the DMA completion
>> IRQ handler is tiny.  Having the IRQ handler spin for the duration of
>> ndo_start_xmit() seemed silly to me.
>
> I don't think it's silly at all.

I'm sure I read somewhere that the time spent spinning on a lock should
be kept as small as possible.

> And unless you can measure it making a difference, don't knock the idea.

I tried using netif_tx_lock() in the IRQ handler instead, and it locked
up solid.  Clearly that was the wrong thing to do.

-- 
Måns Rullgård
mans@mansr.com

  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-11 19:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-10 16:14 [PATCH v5] net: ethernet: add driver for Aurora VLSI NB8800 Ethernet controller Mans Rullgard
2015-11-10 17:55 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-10 18:05   ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-10 20:04     ` David Miller
2015-11-10 20:53       ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-10 21:06         ` David Miller
2015-11-10 21:21           ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-10 21:51             ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-11 13:41               ` Mason
2015-11-11 13:54                 ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-11 14:10                   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-11 14:06                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-10 17:58 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-10 18:07   ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-10 19:13 ` Mason
2015-11-10 19:25   ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-12 13:33     ` Mason
2015-11-12 14:04       ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-12 16:19         ` Mason
2015-11-12 16:57           ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-12 17:20             ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-10 22:09 ` Andy Shevchenko
2015-11-10 22:34   ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-10 22:40     ` Andy Shevchenko
2015-11-10 23:07       ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-11  0:36         ` Andy Shevchenko
2015-11-11  0:44           ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-10 23:34 ` Francois Romieu
2015-11-11  0:40   ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-11  2:11     ` David Miller
2015-11-11 12:22       ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-11 13:04         ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-11 13:29           ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-11 13:48             ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-11 14:09               ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-11 14:15                 ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-11 14:35                   ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-11 14:44                     ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-11 14:42                   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-11-11 16:24           ` David Miller
2015-11-11 18:25             ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-11 19:02               ` David Miller
2015-11-11 19:09                 ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-11 19:13                   ` David Miller
2015-11-11 19:17                     ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-11 19:19                       ` David Miller
2015-11-11 19:25                         ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-11 19:26                           ` David Miller
2015-11-11 19:35                             ` Måns Rullgård [this message]
2015-11-11 19:48                               ` David Miller
2015-11-11 20:47                                 ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-11 16:20         ` David Miller

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