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From: Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 000/141] Fix fall-through warnings for Clang
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 15:19:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANiq72m22Jb5_+62NnwX8xds2iUdWDMAqD8PZw9cuxdHd95W0A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1c7d7fde126bc0acf825766de64bf2f9b888f216.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 11:36 PM James Bottomley
<James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
>
> Well, it seems to be three years of someone's time plus the maintainer
> review time and series disruption of nearly a thousand patches.  Let's
> be conservative and assume the producer worked about 30% on the series
> and it takes about 5-10 minutes per patch to review, merge and for
> others to rework existing series.  So let's say it's cost a person year
> of a relatively junior engineer producing the patches and say 100h of
> review and application time.  The latter is likely the big ticket item
> because it's what we have in least supply in the kernel (even though
> it's 20x vs the producer time).

How are you arriving at such numbers? It is a total of ~200 trivial lines.

> It's not about the risk of the changes it's about the cost of
> implementing them.  Even if you discount the producer time (which
> someone gets to pay for, and if I were the engineering manager, I'd be
> unhappy about), the review/merge/rework time is pretty significant in
> exchange for six minor bug fixes.  Fine, when a new compiler warning
> comes along it's certainly reasonable to see if we can benefit from it
> and the fact that the compiler people think it's worthwhile is enough
> evidence to assume this initially.  But at some point you have to ask
> whether that assumption is supported by the evidence we've accumulated
> over the time we've been using it.  And if the evidence doesn't support
> it perhaps it is time to stop the experiment.

Maintainers routinely review 1-line trivial patches, not to mention
internal API changes, etc.

If some company does not want to pay for that, that's fine, but they
don't get to be maintainers and claim `Supported`.

Cheers,
Miguel

  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-24 17:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-20 18:21 [PATCH 000/141] Fix fall-through warnings for Clang Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-20 18:23 ` [PATCH 002/141] ASoC: codecs: " Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-20 18:28 ` [PATCH 000/141] " Joe Perches
2020-11-20 19:02   ` Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-20 18:33 ` [PATCH 066/141] ALSA: hdspm: " Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-21  8:30   ` Takashi Iwai
2020-11-23 22:56     ` Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-20 18:34 ` [PATCH 067/141] ALSA: pcsp: " Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-21  8:30   ` Takashi Iwai
2020-11-20 18:34 ` [PATCH 068/141] ALSA: sb: " Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-21  8:29   ` Takashi Iwai
2020-11-20 18:39 ` [PATCH 126/141] slimbus: messaging: " Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-24 10:48   ` Srinivas Kandagatla
2020-11-24 14:38     ` Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-20 18:53 ` [PATCH 000/141] " Jakub Kicinski
2020-11-20 19:04   ` Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-20 19:30   ` Kees Cook
2020-11-20 19:51     ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-11-20 20:48       ` Kees Cook
2020-11-22 16:17       ` Kees Cook
2020-11-22 18:21         ` James Bottomley
2020-11-22 18:25           ` Joe Perches
2020-11-22 19:12             ` James Bottomley
2020-11-22 19:22               ` Joe Perches
2020-11-22 19:53                 ` James Bottomley
2020-11-23 13:03                   ` [Intel-wired-lan] " Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-23 16:31                     ` James Bottomley
2020-11-22 20:35           ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-22 22:36             ` James Bottomley
2020-11-23 14:19               ` Miguel Ojeda [this message]
2020-11-23 15:58                 ` James Bottomley
2020-11-23 16:24                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-11-23 16:32                   ` Joe Perches
2020-11-23 18:56                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-23 20:37                     ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                       ` <CANiq72kqO=bYMJnFS2uYRpgWATJ=uXxZuNUsTXT+3aLtrpnzvQ@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                         ` <44005bde-f6d4-5eaa-39b8-1a5efeedb2d3@gmail.com>
2020-11-26 14:53                           ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-26 15:28                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-11-26 16:18                               ` Karol Herbst
2020-11-26 17:05                               ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-22 22:54             ` Finn Thain
2020-11-22 23:04               ` James Bottomley
2020-11-23 14:05               ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-24  0:58                 ` Finn Thain
2020-11-24  1:05                   ` Joe Perches
2020-11-24  2:48                     ` Finn Thain
2020-11-22 22:10           ` Sam Ravnborg
2020-11-24  1:32         ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-11-24  1:46           ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-12-01 14:08           ` Dan Carpenter
2020-12-01 14:04         ` Dan Carpenter
2020-11-20 22:21 ` Miguel Ojeda
2020-11-23 20:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-11-24 14:47   ` Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-11-23 20:38 ` Mark Brown
2020-11-24 14:47   ` Gustavo A. R. Silva
     [not found] ` <yq1h7p6gjkk.fsf@ca-mkp.ca.oracle.com>
2020-12-01  8:20   ` Gustavo A. R. Silva
2020-12-08  4:52 ` (subset) " Martin K. Petersen

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