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From: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
To: Andrii Nakryiko <andriin@fb.com>
Cc: bpf@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, ast@fb.com,
	andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com, kernel-team@fb.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next 11/15] bpftool: add skeleton codegen command
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 15:16:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191216141608.GE14887@linux.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191210011438.4182911-12-andriin@fb.com>

On Mon, Dec 09, 2019 at 05:14:34PM -0800, Andrii Nakryiko wrote:
> Add `bpftool gen skeleton` command, which takes in compiled BPF .o object file
> and dumps a BPF skeleton struct and related code to work with that skeleton.
> Skeleton itself is tailored to a specific structure of provided BPF object
> file, containing accessors (just plain struct fields) for every map and
> program, as well as dedicated space for bpf_links. If BPF program is using
> global variables, corresponding structure definitions of compatible memory
> layout are emitted as well, making it possible to initialize and subsequently
> read/update global variables values using simple and clear C syntax for
> accessing fields. This skeleton majorly improves usability of
> opening/loading/attaching of BPF object, as well as interacting with it
> throughout the lifetime of loaded BPF object.
> 
> Generated skeleton struct has the following structure:
> 
> struct <object-name> {
> 	/* used by libbpf's skeleton API */
> 	struct bpf_object_skeleton *skeleton;
> 	/* bpf_object for libbpf APIs */
> 	struct bpf_object *obj;
> 	struct {
> 		/* for every defined map in BPF object: */
> 		struct bpf_map *<map-name>;
> 	} maps;
> 	struct {
> 		/* for every program in BPF object: */
> 		struct bpf_program *<program-name>;
> 	} progs;
> 	struct {
> 		/* for every program in BPF object: */
> 		struct bpf_link *<program-name>;
> 	} links;
> 	/* for every present global data section: */
> 	struct <object-name>__<one of bss, data, or rodata> {
> 		/* memory layout of corresponding data section,
> 		 * with every defined variable represented as a struct field
> 		 * with exactly the same type, but without const/volatile
> 		 * modifiers, e.g.:
> 		 */
> 		 int *my_var_1;
> 		 ...
> 	} *<one of bss, data, or rodata>;
> };
> 
> This provides great usability improvements:
> - no need to look up maps and programs by name, instead just
>   my_obj->maps.my_map or my_obj->progs.my_prog would give necessary
>   bpf_map/bpf_program pointers, which user can pass to existing libbpf APIs;
> - pre-defined places for bpf_links, which will be automatically populated for
>   program types that libbpf knows how to attach automatically (currently
>   tracepoints, kprobe/kretprobe, raw tracepoint and tracing programs). On
>   tearing down skeleton, all active bpf_links will be destroyed (meaning BPF
>   programs will be detached, if they are attached). For cases in which libbpf
>   doesn't know how to auto-attach BPF program, user can manually create link
>   after loading skeleton and they will be auto-detached on skeleton
>   destruction:
> 
> 	my_obj->links.my_fancy_prog = bpf_program__attach_cgroup_whatever(
> 		my_obj->progs.my_fancy_prog, <whatever extra param);
> 
> - it's extremely easy and convenient to work with global data from userspace
>   now. Both for read-only and read/write variables, it's possible to
>   pre-initialize them before skeleton is loaded:
> 
> 	skel = my_obj__open(raw_embed_data);
> 	my_obj->rodata->my_var = 123;
> 	my_obj__load(skel); /* 123 will be initialization value for my_var */
> 
>   After load, if kernel supports mmap() for BPF arrays, user can still read
>   (and write for .bss and .data) variables values, but at that point it will
>   be directly mmap()-ed to BPF array, backing global variables. This allows to
>   seamlessly exchange data with BPF side. From userspace program's POV, all
>   the pointers and memory contents stay the same, but mapped kernel memory
>   changes to point to created map.
>   If kernel doesn't yet support mmap() for BPF arrays, it's still possible to
>   use those data section structs to pre-initialize .bss, .data, and .rodata,
>   but after load their pointers will be reset to NULL, allowing user code to
>   gracefully handle this condition, if necessary.
> 
> Given a big surface area, skeleton is kept as an experimental non-public
> API for now, until more feedback and real-world experience is collected.

Can you elaborate on the plan here? This is until v5.6 is out and hence a new
bpftool release implicitly where this becomes frozen / non-experimental?

There is also tools/bpf/bpftool/Documentation/bpftool-gen.rst missing. Given
you aim to collect more feedback (?), it would be appropriate to document
everything in there so users have a clue how to use it for getting started.

Also, I think at least some more clarification is needed in such document on
the following topics:

- libbpf and bpftool is both 'GPL-2.0-only' or 'BSD-2-Clause'. Given this
  is a code generator, what license is the `bpftool gen skeleton` result?
  In any case, should there also be a header comment emitted via do_skeleton()?

- Clear statement that this codegen is an alternative to regular libbpf
  API usage but that both are always kept feature-complete and hence not
  disadvantaged in one way or another (to rule out any uncertainties for
  users e.g. whether they now need to start rewriting their existing code
  etc); with purpose of the former (codgen) to simplify loader interaction.

Thanks,
Daniel

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-12-16 14:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-10  1:14 [PATCH bpf-next 00/15] Add code-generated BPF object skeleton support Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-10  1:14 ` [PATCH bpf-next 01/15] libbpf: don't require root for bpf_object__open() Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-10  1:14 ` [PATCH bpf-next 02/15] libbpf: add generic bpf_program__attach() Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-10  1:14 ` [PATCH bpf-next 03/15] libbpf: move non-public APIs from libbpf.h to libbpf_internal.h Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-10  1:33   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-12-10 17:04     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-10 18:17       ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-12-10 18:47         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-10  1:14 ` [PATCH bpf-next 04/15] libbpf: add BPF_EMBED_OBJ macro for embedding BPF .o files Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-10  1:14 ` [PATCH bpf-next 05/15] libbpf: expose field/var declaration emitting API internally Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-10  1:14 ` [PATCH bpf-next 06/15] libbpf: expose BPF program's function name Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-11 19:38   ` [Potential Spoof] " Martin Lau
2019-12-11 19:54     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-10  1:14 ` [PATCH bpf-next 07/15] libbpf: refactor global data map initialization Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-10  1:14 ` [PATCH bpf-next 08/15] libbpf: postpone BTF ID finding for TRACING programs to load phase Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-10  1:14 ` [PATCH bpf-next 09/15] libbpf: reduce log level of supported section names dump Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-10  1:14 ` [PATCH bpf-next 10/15] libbpf: add experimental BPF object skeleton support Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-10  1:14 ` [PATCH bpf-next 11/15] bpftool: add skeleton codegen command Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-10  1:57   ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-12-10 17:11     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-10 18:05       ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-12-10 18:56         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-10 21:44         ` Stanislav Fomichev
2019-12-10 22:33           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-10 22:59             ` Stanislav Fomichev
2019-12-11  7:07               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-11 17:24                 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2019-12-11 18:26                   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-11 19:15                     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2019-12-11 19:41                       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-11 20:09                         ` Stanislav Fomichev
2019-12-12  0:50                           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-12  2:57                             ` Stanislav Fomichev
2019-12-12  7:27                               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-12 16:29                                 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2019-12-12 16:53                                   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-12 18:43                                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-12-12 18:58                                       ` Stanislav Fomichev
2019-12-12 19:23                                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-12-12 19:54                                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-12-12 20:21                                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-12-12 21:28                                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-12-12 21:59                                             ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-12-13  6:48                                           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-13 17:47                                             ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-12-12 21:45                                         ` Stanislav Fomichev
2019-12-13  6:23                                           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-11 22:50   ` [Potential Spoof] " Martin Lau
2019-12-16 14:16   ` Daniel Borkmann [this message]
2019-12-16 18:53     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-17 13:59       ` Daniel Borkmann
2019-12-17 15:45         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-12-10  1:14 ` [PATCH bpf-next 12/15] selftests/bpf: add BPF skeletons selftests and convert attach_probe.c Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-10  1:14 ` [PATCH bpf-next 13/15] selftests/bpf: convert few more selftest to skeletons Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-10  1:14 ` [PATCH bpf-next 14/15] selftests/bpf: add test validating data section to struct convertion layout Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-10  1:14 ` [PATCH bpf-next 15/15] bpftool: add `gen skeleton` BASH completions Andrii Nakryiko
2019-12-11 22:55 ` [PATCH bpf-next 00/15] Add code-generated BPF object skeleton support Martin Lau

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