From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE28BC10DCE for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 16:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D41208CD for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 16:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key) header.d=infradead.org header.i=@infradead.org header.b="YPnYkRwD" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726299AbgCFQFu (ORCPT ); Fri, 6 Mar 2020 11:05:50 -0500 Received: from bombadil.infradead.org ([198.137.202.133]:58650 "EHLO bombadil.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726271AbgCFQFu (ORCPT ); Fri, 6 Mar 2020 11:05:50 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infradead.org; s=bombadil.20170209; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version :References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=MCy5PVJA1LqfKEGKug6+vwwbKtmwegQjfwoCyvkuwpg=; b=YPnYkRwDxrIY7aX9Pks8yzBxq8 2348RSs0mYLJsknXKpJTxWp8tX7StRZl7C8HbKylSHWCgB8HeeOUo9jFtPvxq2UkO2JUmqj6ghf2R cahDTKExYXg1h9VGurYFzeIOmKPvviU7iP7w2iQE9LHZi7libyjGMoFuBSGNA5ZX2W/WuEvMnf+vD 8Y2kvUZb605fCj00Z+BdWy0ilh6SFMwAIOgcbAVsFg9LgyFgI5/ndujzni7Pp1OgqXTRHul3429mh ur363T6Ba+MObKLhB3NEV+CUgrHEmYhYpISEn99BgOTQ1J9QWw49qA/2IsQ7qS3rjuvDbfFvzg7bV pT8C57Qw==; Received: from willy by bombadil.infradead.org with local (Exim 4.92.3 #3 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1jAFTw-0004mS-Jr; Fri, 06 Mar 2020 16:05:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 08:05:48 -0800 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Josef Bacik Cc: lsf-pc , Linux FS Devel , linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, Btrfs BTRFS , bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [LSFMMBPF TOPIC] Killing LSFMMBPF Message-ID: <20200306160548.GB25710@bombadil.infradead.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: bpf-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: bpf@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 09:35:41AM -0500, Josef Bacik wrote: > [a lot of stuff I agree with] > 4) Presentations. 90% of the conference is 1-2 people standing at the front > of the room, talking to a room of 20-100 people, with only a few people in > the audience who cares. We do our best to curate the presentations so we're > not wasting peoples time, but in the end I don't care what David Howells is > doing with mount, I trust him to do the right thing and he really just needs > to trap Viro in a room to work it out, he doesn't need all of us. ... and allow the other 3-5 people who're interested or affected the opportunity to sit in. Like a mailing list, but higher bandwidth. > So what do I propose? I propose we kill LSFMMBPF. I come not to bury LSFMMBPF but to reform it. As Jason noted, Plumbers is already oversubscribed. I think having two Plumbers conferences per year (one spring, one autumn), preferably on two different continents, would make a lot of sense. Here's my proposal, and obviously I'm not seeking _permission_ to do this, but constructive feedback would be useful. 1. Engage an event organiser to manage the whole thing. I have a friend who recently took up event organising as her full-time job, and I've started talking to her about this. It's a rather different skill-set from writing kernel patches. 2. Charge attendees $300 for a 3-day conference. This seems to be the going rate (eg BSDCan, PGCon). This allows the conference to be self- funding without sponsors, and any sponsorship can go towards evening events, food, travel bursaries, etc. 3. Delegate organising the sessions to the track chairs. Maybe get rid of shared sessions altogether -- while there are plenty of times where "I need fs and mm people in the room", it's rarely "I need everybody in the room", and scheduling BOFs opposite such a general session would be a good use of peoples time.