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From: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
To: Andrey Ignatov <rdna@fb.com>
Cc: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"Andrii Nakryiko" <andriin@fb.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Networking <netdev@vger.kernel.org>, bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: bpf: ability to attach freplace to multiple parents
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 15:01:13 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200402220113.cqrh6hdjwt4ycvip@ast-mbp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200402212433.GA12405@rdna-mbp.dhcp.thefacebook.com>

On Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 02:24:33PM -0700, Andrey Ignatov wrote:
> Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> [Thu, 2020-04-02 13:22 -0700]:
> > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 12:11:15PM +0100, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
> > > 
> > > Current code is in [0], for those following along. There are two bits of
> > > kernel support missing before I can get it to where I want it for an
> > > initial "release": Atomic replace of the dispatcher (this series), and
> > > the ability to attach an freplace program to more than one "parent".
> > > I'll try to get an RFC out for the latter during the merge window, but
> > > I'll probably need some help in figuring out how to make it safe from
> > > the verifier PoV.
> > 
> > I have some thoughts on the second part "ability to attach an freplace
> > to more than one 'parent'".
> > I think the solution should be more generic than just freplace.
> > fentry/fexit need to have the same feature.
> > Few folks already said that they want to attach fentry to multiple
> > kernel functions. It's similar to what people do with kprobe progs now.
> > (attach to multiple and differentiate attach point based on parent IP)
> > Similarly "bpftool profile" needs it to avoid creating new pair of fentry/fexit
> > progs for every target bpf prog it's collecting stats about.
> > I didn't add this ability to fentry/fexit/freplace only to simplify
> > initial implementation ;) I think the time had come.
> > Currently fentry/fexit/freplace progs have single prog->aux->linked_prog pointer.
> > It just needs to become a linked list.
> > The api extension could be like this:
> > bpf_raw_tp_open(prog_fd, attach_prog_fd, attach_btf_id);
> > (currently it's just bpf_raw_tp_open(prog_fd))
> > The same pair of (attach_prog_fd, attach_btf_id) is already passed into prog_load
> > to hold the linked_prog and its corresponding btf_id.
> > I'm proposing to extend raw_tp_open with this pair as well to
> > attach existing fentry/fexit/freplace prog to another target.
> > Internally the kernel verify that btf of current linked_prog
> > exactly matches to btf of another requested linked_prog and
> > if they match it will attach the same prog to two target programs (in case of freplace)
> > or two kernel functions (in case of fentry/fexit).
> > 
> > Toke, Andrey,
> > if above kinda makes sense from high level description
> > I can prototype it quickly and then we can discuss details
> > in the patches ?
> > Or we can drill further into details and discuss corner cases.
> 
> That makes sense to me.
> 
> I've also been thinking of a way to "transition" ext prog from one
> target program to another, but I had an impression that limiting number
> of target progs to one for an ext prog is "by design" and hard to
> change, and was looking at introducing a way to duplicate existing ext
> prog by its fd but with different attach_prog_fd and attach_btf_id (smth
> like BPF_PROG_DUP command) instead.

I think cloning the whole program is useful.
iirc cilium folks wanted an ability for clone to have a different 'flavor' of
the program. Like re-verifying and re-optimizing with new dead code elimination
when global data changed. Like loading a prog to manage traffic for one k8
container with given IP, then cloning this prog for a different container with
different IP. So clone is effectively a fast load where the verifier
potentially doesn't need to do full verification of all paths. I think it's
still a useful feature, but for this case, I hope, much simpler approach would do.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-02 22:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-19 13:13 [PATCH bpf-next 0/4] XDP: Support atomic replacement of XDP interface attachments Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-19 13:13 ` [PATCH bpf-next 1/4] xdp: Support specifying expected existing program when attaching XDP Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-19 22:52   ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-20  8:48     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-20 17:35       ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-20 18:17         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-20 18:35           ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-20 18:30         ` John Fastabend
2020-03-20 20:24           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-23 11:24             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-23 16:54               ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-23 18:14               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-23 19:23                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-24  1:01                   ` David Ahern
2020-03-24  4:53                     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-24 20:55                       ` David Ahern
2020-03-24 22:56                         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-24  5:00                   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-24 10:57                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-24 18:53                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-24 22:30                         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-25  1:25                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-24 19:22                       ` John Fastabend
2020-03-25  1:36                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-25  2:15                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-25 18:06                             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-25 18:20                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-25 19:14                                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-25 10:42                           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-25 18:11                             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-25 10:30                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-25 17:56                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-24 22:25                       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-25  9:38                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-25 17:55                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-26  0:16                           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-26  5:13                             ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-26 18:09                               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-26 19:40                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-26 20:05                                 ` Edward Cree
2020-03-27 11:09                                   ` Lorenz Bauer
2020-03-27 23:11                                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-26 10:04                             ` Lorenz Bauer
2020-03-26 17:47                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-26 19:45                                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-26 18:18                               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-26 19:53                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-27 11:11                                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-04-02 20:21                                   ` bpf: ability to attach freplace to multiple parents Alexei Starovoitov
2020-04-02 21:23                                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-04-02 21:54                                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-04-03  8:38                                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-04-07  1:44                                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-04-07  9:20                                             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-05-12  8:34                                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-05-12  9:53                                           ` Alan Maguire
2020-05-12 13:02                                             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-05-12 23:18                                             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-05-12 23:06                                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-05-13 10:25                                             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-04-02 21:24                                     ` Andrey Ignatov
2020-04-02 22:01                                       ` Alexei Starovoitov [this message]
2020-03-26 12:35                             ` [PATCH bpf-next 1/4] xdp: Support specifying expected existing program when attaching XDP Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-26 19:06                               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-27 11:06                                 ` Lorenz Bauer
2020-03-27 16:12                                   ` David Ahern
2020-03-27 20:10                                     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-27 23:02                                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-30 15:25                                       ` Edward Cree
2020-03-31  3:43                                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-31 22:05                                           ` Edward Cree
2020-03-31 22:16                                             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-27 19:42                                   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-27 19:45                                   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-27 23:09                                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-27 11:46                                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-27 20:07                                   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-27 22:16                                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-27 22:54                                       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-28  1:09                                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-28  1:44                                           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-28 19:43                                             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-26 19:58                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-27 12:06                                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-27 23:00                                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-28  1:43                                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-28  2:26                                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-28 19:34                                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-28 23:35                                           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-29 10:39                                             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-29 19:26                                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-30 10:19                                                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-29 20:23                                           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-30 13:53                                             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-30 20:17                                               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-31 10:13                                                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-31 13:48                                                   ` Daniel Borkmann
2020-03-31 15:00                                                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-31 20:19                                                       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-31 20:15                                                     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-30 15:41                                             ` Edward Cree
2020-03-30 19:13                                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-31  4:01                                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-31 11:34                                                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-31 18:52                                                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-03-20 20:30       ` Daniel Borkmann
2020-03-20 20:40         ` Daniel Borkmann
2020-03-20 21:30           ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-20 21:55             ` Daniel Borkmann
2020-03-20 23:35               ` Jakub Kicinski
2020-03-20 20:39       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-23 11:25         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-23 18:07           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-03-23 23:54           ` Andrey Ignatov
2020-03-24 10:16             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-20  2:13   ` Yonghong Song
2020-03-20  8:48     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-19 13:13 ` [PATCH bpf-next 2/4] tools: Add EXPECTED_FD-related definitions in if_link.h Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-19 13:13 ` [PATCH bpf-next 3/4] libbpf: Add function to set link XDP fd while specifying old fd Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-03-19 13:13 ` [PATCH bpf-next 4/4] selftests/bpf: Add tests for attaching XDP programs Toke Høiland-Jørgensen

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