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Ts'o" Cc: lsf-pc , Linux FS Devel , linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, Btrfs BTRFS , bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org References: <20200306155611.GA167883@mit.edu> From: Josef Bacik Message-ID: <72708005-0810-1957-1e58-5b70779ab6db@toxicpanda.com> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 11:08:36 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200306155611.GA167883@mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: bpf-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: bpf@vger.kernel.org On 3/6/20 10:56 AM, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: > On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 09:35:41AM -0500, Josef Bacik wrote: >> This has been a topic that I've been thinking about a lot recently, mostly >> because of the giant amount of work that has been organizing LSFMMBPF. I >> was going to wait until afterwards to bring it up, hoping that maybe it was >> just me being done with the whole process and that time would give me a >> different perspective, but recent discussions has made it clear I'm not the >> only one..... > > I suggest that we try to decouple the question of should we have > LSF/MM/BPF in 2020 and COVID-19, with the question of what should > LSF/MM/BPF (perhaps in some transfigured form) should look like in > 2021 and in the future. > Yes this is purely about 2021 and the future, not 2020. > A lot of the the concerns expressed in this e-mails are ones that I > have been concerned about, especially: > >> 2) There are so many of us.... > >> 3) Half the people I want to talk to aren't even in the room. This may be a >> uniquely file system track problem, but most of my work is in btrfs, and I >> want to talk to my fellow btrfs developers.... > >> 4) Presentations.... > > These *exactly* mirror the dynamic that we saw with the Kernel Summit, > and how we've migrated to a the Maintainer's Summit with a Kernel > centric track which is currently colocated with Plumbers. > > I think it is still useful to have something where we reach consensus > on multi-subsystem contentious changes. But I think those topics > could probably fit within a day or maybe a half day. Does that sound > familiar? That's essentially what we now have with the Maintainer'st > Summit. > > The problem with Plumbers is that it's really, really full. Not > having invitations doesn't magically go away; Plumbers last year had > to deal with long waitlist, and strugglinig to make sure that all of > the critical people who need be present so that the various Miniconfs > could be successful. Ah ok, I haven't done plumbers in a few years, I knew they would get full but I didn't think it was that bad. > > This is why I've been pushing so hard for a second Linux systems > focused event in the first half of the year. I think if we colocate > the set of topics which are currently in LSF/MM, the more file system > specific presentations, the ext4/xfs/btrfs mini-summits/working > sessions, and the maintainer's summit / kernel summit, we would have > critical mass. And I am sure there will be *plenty* of topics left > over for Plumbers. > I'd be down for this. Would you leave the thing open so anybody can register, or would you still have an invitation system? I really, really despise the invitation system just because it's inherently self limiting. However I do want to make sure we are getting relevant people in the room, and not making it this "oh shit, I forgot to register, and now the conference is full" sort of situations. Thanks, Josef