From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB66C2D0A3 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2020 20:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF1D20B1F for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2020 20:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="bepPv6Hg" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727559AbgKFU6J (ORCPT ); Fri, 6 Nov 2020 15:58:09 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:48766 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728464AbgKFU6J (ORCPT ); Fri, 6 Nov 2020 15:58:09 -0500 Received: from mail-yb1-xb2c.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2c]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE89CC0613CF; Fri, 6 Nov 2020 12:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yb1-xb2c.google.com with SMTP id c129so2296519yba.8; Fri, 06 Nov 2020 12:58:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=DfgNiqc7FPmeRo9u5EBrE/Hi/TlplGpHLKs32RAKO9A=; b=bepPv6HgX29aP/hxS6S+e5bYm5n7fZwl6jNHkmbVO0WKZ9h73tYy0/5p7JPW4wVy6c JYND6sCJ4bh2Nj/f2aS0wD3MLdEDP+lsS03iCru6gZPzcLlGJcXPPgNvNsb/celt3idk 5CRhfi2Nn8uTaBCd0beMCqv0+TFLQ8Z2C6N8sf5hJupJc0Itv96hoDkajgYlZtAmtp3v FR/u3RQiw0R1Gcny6k+E0hek9ttpTiHFJht7fRef5C3b8Kld70E2Egp6cWzE7MRRV7WL QRawtynLvbFADOficETyZMsOsx+3J2aYmZ0TpBCEF3n3Lh3lJP+rGyBSCvwSXVoh5Ebj 8kCA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=DfgNiqc7FPmeRo9u5EBrE/Hi/TlplGpHLKs32RAKO9A=; b=kkxDbzMcJOux4Y3qlV2pOSbAdnCc8rfRHiUsmZkUdvdXnYBKaiAJQTarLUb+6iHLSi XBA7WVdfDCzNj7N0r3MbTejexgUfNsEbTDwtZUBJAe78rLtetJfdZ1fyn2mpbJOHBDwS JB0vmJWlZqolL7V7mf1St85m3sPBeuA0Lh4pdfpae6EI4qi20ShNQuSFB0/MMFtmb30v h4FRESPoPI022bLND4SHMzuyLhN9+8s2GRV0XuWJgsK87Ev9md9t+hIVFU2KpDshTtFm mR7xfutT0M0i7fbOV1tifg6YEbZ1HOHMAx8qpobuLxhjq9hqbBL1GswHRq7SHh9TzU/z RvzA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531vmM/zc4PDtrGy8MnwFZL5C7+D79idXHOTk8jxuRSPNaRpM9hO TJv/iZN9j+MbGr8Qm5rCOITECWiZf2spbFVHWKk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzspGMaJW4V4XJJYR980bkplhP3rJhpEkhpWaiVMlZ8syf2P6GJj5KRClEz7Df2+C7nNCvVgDTeAgQG6UZFfLA= X-Received: by 2002:a25:da4e:: with SMTP id n75mr5424442ybf.425.1604696288129; Fri, 06 Nov 2020 12:58:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20201028132529.3763875-1-haliu@redhat.com> <20201029151146.3810859-1-haliu@redhat.com> <646cdfd9-5d6a-730d-7b46-f2b13f9e9a41@gmail.com> <3306d19c-346d-fcbc-bd48-f141db26a2aa@gmail.com> <71af5d23-2303-d507-39b5-833dd6ea6a10@gmail.com> <20201103225554.pjyuuhdklj5idk3u@ast-mbp.dhcp.thefacebook.com> <20201104021730.GK2408@dhcp-12-153.nay.redhat.com> <20201104031145.nmtggnzomfee4fma@ast-mbp.dhcp.thefacebook.com> <07f149f6-f8ac-96b9-350d-b289ef16d82f@solarflare.com> <20201106094425.5cc49609@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <20201106094425.5cc49609@redhat.com> From: Andrii Nakryiko Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2020 12:57:56 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCHv3 iproute2-next 0/5] iproute2: add libbpf support To: Jiri Benc Cc: Edward Cree , Alexei Starovoitov , Hangbin Liu , David Ahern , Daniel Borkmann , Stephen Hemminger , Alexei Starovoitov , Martin KaFai Lau , Song Liu , Yonghong Song , David Miller , Jesper Dangaard Brouer , Networking , bpf , Andrii Nakryiko , =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: bpf@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 12:44 AM Jiri Benc wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 12:19:00 -0800, Andrii Nakryiko wrote: > > I'll just quote myself here for your convenience. > > Sorry, I missed your original email for some reason. > > > Submodule is a way that I know of to make this better for end users. > > If there are other ways to pull this off with shared library use, I'm > > all for it, it will save the security angle that distros are arguing > > for. E.g., if distributions will always have the latest libbpf > > available almost as soon as it's cut upstream *and* new iproute2 > > versions enforce the latest libbpf when they are packaged/released, > > then this might work equivalently for end users. If Linux distros > > would be willing to do this faithfully and promptly, I have no > > objections whatsoever. Because all that matters is BPF end user > > experience, as Daniel explained above. > > That's basically what we already do, for both Fedora and RHEL. > > Of course, it follows the distro release cycle, i.e. no version > upgrades - or very limited ones - during lifetime of a particular > release. But that would not be different if libbpf was bundled in > individual projects. Alright. Hopefully this would be sufficient in practice. > > Jiri >