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From: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@google.com>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: "John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	"Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>,
	"Martin KaFai Lau" <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
	bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>, "Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"Andrii Nakryiko" <andrii@kernel.org>,
	"Song Liu" <song@kernel.org>, "Yonghong Song" <yhs@fb.com>,
	"KP Singh" <kpsingh@kernel.org>, "Hao Luo" <haoluo@google.com>,
	"Jiri Olsa" <jolsa@kernel.org>, "David Ahern" <dsahern@gmail.com>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Willem de Bruijn" <willemb@google.com>,
	"Jesper Dangaard Brouer" <brouer@redhat.com>,
	"Anatoly Burakov" <anatoly.burakov@intel.com>,
	"Alexander Lobakin" <alexandr.lobakin@intel.com>,
	"Magnus Karlsson" <magnus.karlsson@gmail.com>,
	"Maryam Tahhan" <mtahhan@redhat.com>,
	xdp-hints@xdp-project.net,
	"Network Development" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [xdp-hints] Re: [PATCH bpf-next 05/11] veth: Support rx timestamp metadata for xdp
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 18:53:36 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKH8qBvTdnyRYT+ocNS_ZmOfoN+nBEJ5jcBcKcqZ1hx0a5WrSw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQKTXuBvP_2O6coswXL7MSvqVo1d+qXLabeOikcbcbAKPQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 6:17 PM Alexei Starovoitov
<alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 4:19 PM Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 3:47 PM John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Stanislav Fomichev wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 11:03 AM John Fastabend
> > > > <john.fastabend@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
> > > > > > Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev> writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 11/15/22 10:38 PM, John Fastabend wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>> +static void veth_unroll_kfunc(const struct bpf_prog *prog, u32 func_id,
> > > > > > >>>>>>> +                           struct bpf_patch *patch)
> > > > > > >>>>>>> +{
> > > > > > >>>>>>> +     if (func_id == xdp_metadata_kfunc_id(XDP_METADATA_KFUNC_RX_TIMESTAMP_SUPPORTED)) {
> > > > > > >>>>>>> +             /* return true; */
> > > > > > >>>>>>> +             bpf_patch_append(patch, BPF_MOV64_IMM(BPF_REG_0, 1));
> > > > > > >>>>>>> +     } else if (func_id == xdp_metadata_kfunc_id(XDP_METADATA_KFUNC_RX_TIMESTAMP)) {
> > > > > > >>>>>>> +             /* return ktime_get_mono_fast_ns(); */
> > > > > > >>>>>>> +             bpf_patch_append(patch, BPF_EMIT_CALL(ktime_get_mono_fast_ns));
> > > > > > >>>>>>> +     }
> > > > > > >>>>>>> +}
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> So these look reasonable enough, but would be good to see some examples
> > > > > > >>>>>> of kfunc implementations that don't just BPF_CALL to a kernel function
> > > > > > >>>>>> (with those helper wrappers we were discussing before).
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Let's maybe add them if/when needed as we add more metadata support?
> > > > > > >>>>> xdp_metadata_export_to_skb has an example, and rfc 1/2 have more
> > > > > > >>>>> examples, so it shouldn't be a problem to resurrect them back at some
> > > > > > >>>>> point?
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Well, the reason I asked for them is that I think having to maintain the
> > > > > > >>>> BPF code generation in the drivers is probably the biggest drawback of
> > > > > > >>>> the kfunc approach, so it would be good to be relatively sure that we
> > > > > > >>>> can manage that complexity (via helpers) before we commit to this :)
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Right, and I've added a bunch of examples in v2 rfc so we can judge
> > > > > > >>> whether that complexity is manageable or not :-)
> > > > > > >>> Do you want me to add those wrappers you've back without any real users?
> > > > > > >>> Because I had to remove my veth tstamp accessors due to John/Jesper
> > > > > > >>> objections; I can maybe bring some of this back gated by some
> > > > > > >>> static_branch to avoid the fastpath cost?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I missed the context a bit what did you mean "would be good to see some
> > > > > > >> examples of kfunc implementations that don't just BPF_CALL to a kernel
> > > > > > >> function"? In this case do you mean BPF code directly without the call?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Early on I thought we should just expose the rx_descriptor which would
> > > > > > >> be roughly the same right? (difference being code embedded in driver vs
> > > > > > >> a lib) Trouble I ran into is driver code using seqlock_t and mutexs
> > > > > > >> which wasn't as straight forward as the simpler just read it from
> > > > > > >> the descriptor. For example in mlx getting the ts would be easy from
> > > > > > >> BPF with the mlx4_cqe struct exposed
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> u64 mlx4_en_get_cqe_ts(struct mlx4_cqe *cqe)
> > > > > > >> {
> > > > > > >>          u64 hi, lo;
> > > > > > >>          struct mlx4_ts_cqe *ts_cqe = (struct mlx4_ts_cqe *)cqe;
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>          lo = (u64)be16_to_cpu(ts_cqe->timestamp_lo);
> > > > > > >>          hi = ((u64)be32_to_cpu(ts_cqe->timestamp_hi) + !lo) << 16;
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>          return hi | lo;
> > > > > > >> }
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> but converting that to nsec is a bit annoying,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> void mlx4_en_fill_hwtstamps(struct mlx4_en_dev *mdev,
> > > > > > >>                              struct skb_shared_hwtstamps *hwts,
> > > > > > >>                              u64 timestamp)
> > > > > > >> {
> > > > > > >>          unsigned int seq;
> > > > > > >>          u64 nsec;
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>          do {
> > > > > > >>                  seq = read_seqbegin(&mdev->clock_lock);
> > > > > > >>                  nsec = timecounter_cyc2time(&mdev->clock, timestamp);
> > > > > > >>          } while (read_seqretry(&mdev->clock_lock, seq));
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>          memset(hwts, 0, sizeof(struct skb_shared_hwtstamps));
> > > > > > >>          hwts->hwtstamp = ns_to_ktime(nsec);
> > > > > > >> }
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I think the nsec is what you really want.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> With all the drivers doing slightly different ops we would have
> > > > > > >> to create read_seqbegin, read_seqretry, mutex_lock, ... to get
> > > > > > >> at least the mlx and ice drivers it looks like we would need some
> > > > > > >> more BPF primitives/helpers. Looks like some more work is needed
> > > > > > >> on ice driver though to get rx tstamps on all packets.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Anyways this convinced me real devices will probably use BPF_CALL
> > > > > > >> and not BPF insns directly.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Some of the mlx5 path looks like this:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > #define REAL_TIME_TO_NS(hi, low) (((u64)hi) * NSEC_PER_SEC + ((u64)low))
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > static inline ktime_t mlx5_real_time_cyc2time(struct mlx5_clock *clock,
> > > > > > >                                                u64 timestamp)
> > > > > > > {
> > > > > > >          u64 time = REAL_TIME_TO_NS(timestamp >> 32, timestamp & 0xFFFFFFFF);
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >          return ns_to_ktime(time);
> > > > > > > }
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If some hints are harder to get, then just doing a kfunc call is better.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sure, but if we end up having a full function call for every field in
> > > > > > the metadata, that will end up having a significant performance impact
> > > > > > on the XDP data path (thinking mostly about the skb metadata case here,
> > > > > > which will collect several bits of metadata).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > csum may have a better chance to inline?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yup, I agree. Including that also makes it possible to benchmark this
> > > > > > series against Jesper's; which I think we should definitely be doing
> > > > > > before merging this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Good point I got sort of singularly focused on timestamp because I have
> > > > > a use case for it now.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also hash is often sitting in the rx descriptor.
> > > >
> > > > Ack, let me try to add something else (that's more inline-able) on the
> > > > rx side for a v2.
> > >
> > > If you go with in-kernel BPF kfunc approach (vs user space side) I think
> > > you also need to add CO-RE to be friendly for driver developers? Otherwise
> > > they have to keep that read in sync with the descriptors? Also need to
> > > handle versioning of descriptors where depending on specific options
> > > and firmware and chip being enabled the descriptor might be moving
> > > around. Of course can push this all to developer, but seems not so
> > > nice when we have the machinery to do this and we handle it for all
> > > other structures.
> > >
> > > With CO-RE you can simply do the rx_desc->hash and rx_desc->csum and
> > > expect CO-RE sorts it out based on currently running btf_id of the
> > > descriptor. If you go through normal path you get this for free of
> > > course.
> >
> > Doesn't look like the descriptors are as nice as you're trying to
> > paint them (with clear hash/csum fields) :-) So not sure how much
> > CO-RE would help.
> > At least looking at mlx4 rx_csum, the driver consults three different
> > sets of flags to figure out the hash_type. Or am I just unlucky with
> > mlx4?
>
> Which part are you talking about ?
>         hw_checksum = csum_unfold((__force __sum16)cqe->checksum);
> is trivial enough for bpf prog to do if it has access to 'cqe' pointer
> which is what John is proposing (I think).

I'm talking about mlx4_en_process_rx_cq, the caller of that check_csum.
In particular: if (likely(dev->features & NETIF_F_RXCSUM)) branch
I'm assuming we want to have hash_type available to the progs?

But also, check_csum handles other corner cases:
- short_frame: we simply force all those small frames to skip checksum complete
- get_fixed_ipv6_csum: In IPv6 packets, hw_checksum lacks 6 bytes from
IPv6 header
- get_fixed_ipv4_csum: Although the stack expects checksum which
doesn't include the pseudo header, the HW adds it

So it doesn't look like we can just unconditionally use cqe->checksum?
The driver does a lot of massaging around that field to make it
palatable.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-17  2:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-15  3:01 [PATCH bpf-next 00/11] xdp: hints via kfuncs Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-15  3:02 ` [PATCH bpf-next 01/11] bpf: Document XDP RX metadata Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-15 22:31   ` Zvi Effron
2022-11-15 22:43     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-15 23:34       ` Zvi Effron
2022-11-16  3:50         ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-15  3:02 ` [PATCH bpf-next 02/11] bpf: Introduce bpf_patch Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-15  3:02 ` [PATCH bpf-next 03/11] bpf: Support inlined/unrolled kfuncs for xdp metadata Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-15 16:16   ` [xdp-hints] " Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-15 18:37     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-16 20:42   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-11-16 20:53     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-15  3:02 ` [PATCH bpf-next 04/11] bpf: Implement hidden BPF_PUSH64 and BPF_POP64 instructions Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-15  3:02 ` [PATCH bpf-next 05/11] veth: Support rx timestamp metadata for xdp Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-15 16:17   ` [xdp-hints] " Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-15 18:37     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-15 22:46       ` [xdp-hints] " Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-16  4:09         ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-16  6:38           ` John Fastabend
2022-11-16  7:47             ` Martin KaFai Lau
2022-11-16 10:08               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-16 18:20                 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2022-11-16 19:03                 ` John Fastabend
2022-11-16 20:50                   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-16 23:47                     ` John Fastabend
2022-11-17  0:19                       ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-17  2:17                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-11-17  2:53                           ` Stanislav Fomichev [this message]
2022-11-17  2:59                             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-11-17  4:18                               ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-17  6:55                                 ` John Fastabend
2022-11-17 17:51                                   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-17 19:47                                     ` John Fastabend
2022-11-17 20:17                                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-11-17 11:32                             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-17 16:59                               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-11-17 17:52                                 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-17 23:46                                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-18  0:02                                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2022-11-18  0:29                                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-17 10:27                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-15  3:02 ` [PATCH bpf-next 06/11] xdp: Carry over xdp metadata into skb context Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-15 23:20   ` [xdp-hints] " Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-16  3:49     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-16  9:30       ` [xdp-hints] " Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-16  7:04   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2022-11-16  9:48     ` [xdp-hints] " Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-16 20:51       ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-16 20:51     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-16 21:12   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-11-16 21:49     ` Martin KaFai Lau
2022-11-18 14:05   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2022-11-18 18:18     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-19 12:31       ` [xdp-hints] " Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-21 17:53         ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-21 18:47           ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-11-21 19:41             ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-15  3:02 ` [PATCH bpf-next 07/11] selftests/bpf: Verify xdp_metadata xdp->af_xdp path Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-15  3:02 ` [PATCH bpf-next 08/11] selftests/bpf: Verify xdp_metadata xdp->skb path Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-15  3:02 ` [PATCH bpf-next 09/11] mlx4: Introduce mlx4_xdp_buff wrapper for xdp_buff Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-15  3:02 ` [PATCH bpf-next 10/11] mxl4: Support rx timestamp metadata for xdp Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-15  3:02 ` [PATCH bpf-next 11/11] selftests/bpf: Simple program to dump XDP RX metadata Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-15 15:54 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next 00/11] xdp: hints via kfuncs Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-15 18:37   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-15 22:31     ` [xdp-hints] " Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-15 22:54     ` [xdp-hints] " Alexei Starovoitov
2022-11-15 23:13       ` [xdp-hints] " Toke Høiland-Jørgensen

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