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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
To: "Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next] bpf: Make trampolines W^X
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:35:59 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrWjx-D2sdJZbnydPgunNKmxuhYm=+6iPoy0DHEKCMkMsw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <96dd98b3c4f73b205b6e669ca87fa64901c117d6.camel@intel.com>

> On Jan 9, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Edgecombe, Rick P <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com> wrote:

>> The vmap code immediately removes PTEs when unmaps occur (which it may
>> very well do right now -- I haven't checked) but also tracks the
>> kernel_tlb_gen associated with each record of an
>> unmapped-but-not-zapped area.  Then we split vm_unmap_aliases() into a
>> variant that unmaps all aliases and a variant that merely promises to
>> unmap at least one alias.  The former does what the current code does
>> except that it skips the IPI if all areas in question have tlb_gen <
>> flushed_kernel_tlb_gen.  The latter clears all areas with tlb_gen <
>> flushed_kernel_tlb_gen and, if there weren't any, does
>> flush_tlb_kernel_range() and flushes everything.
>>
>> (Major caveat: this is wrong for the case where
>> flush_tlb_kernel_range() only flushes some but not all of the kernel.
>> So this needs considerable work if it's actually going to me useful.
>> The plain old "take locks and clean up" approach might be a better
>> bet.)
>>
>
> Hmm. In normal usage (!DEBUG_PAGE_ALLOC), are kernel range tlb shootdowns common
> outside of module space users and lazy vmap stuff? A tlb_gen solution might only
> be worth it in cases where something other than vm_unmap_aliases() and helpers
> was doing this frequently.

I suspect that the two bug users aside from vunmap() will be eBPF and,
eventually, XPFO / “exclusive pages” / less crappy SEV-like
implementations / actual high quality MKTME stuff / KVM
side-channel-proof memory.  The latter doesn’t actually exist yet (the
SEV implementation sidesteps this with a horrible hack involving
incoherent mappings that are left active with fingers crossed), but it
really seems like it’s coming.

In general, if we’re going to have a pool of non-RW-direct-mapped
pages, we also want some moderately efficient way to produce such
pages.

Right now, creating and freeing eBPF programs in a loop is probably a
performance disaster on large systems.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-01-10 18:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-03 23:47 [PATCH bpf-next] bpf: Make trampolines W^X KP Singh
2020-01-04  0:49 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-01-05  1:19   ` Justin Capella
2020-01-06  8:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-01-06 22:25   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-01-07  1:36     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-01-07 19:01       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-01-08  8:41         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-01-08 20:52           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-01-09  6:48             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-01-10  1:00               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-01-10 18:35                 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
     [not found] <CAMrEMU8Vsn8rfULqf1gfuYL_-ybqzit29CLYReskaZ8XUroZww@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <768BAF04-BEBF-489A-8737-B645816B262A@amacapital.net>
2020-01-06 22:13   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-01-07  9:11     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-01-07 18:55       ` Alexei Starovoitov

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