bpf.vger.kernel.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Toshiaki Makita <toshiaki.makita1@gmail.com>
To: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>,
	"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	"Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"Martin KaFai Lau" <kafai@fb.com>,
	"Song Liu" <songliubraving@fb.com>, "Yonghong Song" <yhs@fb.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <jakub.kicinski@netronome.com>,
	"Jesper Dangaard Brouer" <hawk@kernel.org>,
	"Jamal Hadi Salim" <jhs@mojatatu.com>,
	"Cong Wang" <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>,
	"Jiri Pirko" <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	"Pablo Neira Ayuso" <pablo@netfilter.org>,
	"Jozsef Kadlecsik" <kadlec@netfilter.org>,
	"Florian Westphal" <fw@strlen.de>,
	"Pravin B Shelar" <pshelar@ovn.org>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	William Tu <u9012063@gmail.com>,
	Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@fomichev.me>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 bpf-next 00/15] xdp_flow: Flow offload to XDP
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 22:19:24 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a7f3d86b-c83c-7b0d-c426-684b8dfe4344@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sgniladm.fsf@toke.dk>

On 19/10/24 (木) 19:13:09, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
> John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>>> John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> I think for sysadmins in general (not OVS) use case I would work
>>>> with Jesper and Toke. They seem to be working on this specific
>>>> problem.
>>>
>>> We're definitely thinking about how we can make "XDP magically speeds up
>>> my network stack" a reality, if that's what you mean. Not that we have
>>> arrived at anything specific yet...
>>
>> There seemed to be two thoughts in the cover letter one how to make
>> OVS flow tc path faster via XDP. And the other how to make other users
>> of tc flower software stack faster.
>>
>> For the OVS case seems to me that OVS should create its own XDP
>> datapath if its 5x faster than the tc flower datapath. Although
>> missing from the data was comparing against ovs kmod so that

In the cover letter there is

  xdp_flow  TC        ovs kmod
  --------  --------  --------
  5.2 Mpps  1.2 Mpps  1.1 Mpps

Or are you talking about something different?

>> comparison would also be interesting. This way OVS could customize
>> things and create only what they need.
>>
>> But the other case for a transparent tc flower XDP a set of user tools
>> could let users start using XDP for this use case without having to
>> write their own BPF code. Anyways I had the impression that might be
>> something you and Jesper are thinking about, general usability for
>> users that are not necessarily writing their own network.
> 
> Yeah, you are right that it's something we're thinking about. I'm not
> sure we'll actually have the bandwidth to implement a complete solution
> ourselves, but we are very much interested in helping others do this,
> including smoothing out any rough edges (or adding missing features) in
> the core XDP feature set that is needed to achieve this :)

I'm very interested in general usability solutions.
I'd appreciate if you could join the discussion.

Here the basic idea of my approach is to reuse HW-offload infrastructure 
in kernel.
Typical networking features in kernel have offload mechanism (TC flower, 
nftables, bridge, routing, and so on).
In general these are what users want to accelerate, so easy XDP use also 
should support these features IMO. With this idea, reusing existing 
HW-offload mechanism is a natural way to me. OVS uses TC to offload 
flows, then use TC for XDP as well...
Of course as John suggested there are other ways to do that. Probably we 
should compare them more thoroughly to discuss it more?

Toshiaki Makita

  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-27 13:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-18  4:07 Toshiaki Makita
2019-10-18  4:07 ` [RFC PATCH v2 bpf-next 01/15] xdp_flow: Add skeleton of XDP based flow offload driver Toshiaki Makita
2019-10-18  4:07 ` [RFC PATCH v2 bpf-next 02/15] xdp_flow: Add skeleton bpf program for XDP Toshiaki Makita
2019-10-18  4:07 ` [RFC PATCH v2 bpf-next 03/15] bpf: Add API to get program from id Toshiaki Makita
2019-10-18  4:07 ` [RFC PATCH v2 bpf-next 04/15] xdp: Export dev_check_xdp and dev_change_xdp Toshiaki Makita
2019-10-18  4:07 ` [RFC PATCH v2 bpf-next 05/15] xdp_flow: Attach bpf prog to XDP in kernel after UMH loaded program Toshiaki Makita
2019-10-18  4:07 ` [RFC PATCH v2 bpf-next 06/15] xdp_flow: Prepare flow tables in bpf Toshiaki Makita
2019-10-18  4:07 ` [RFC PATCH v2 bpf-next 07/15] xdp_flow: Add flow entry insertion/deletion logic in UMH Toshiaki Makita
2019-10-18  4:07 ` [RFC PATCH v2 bpf-next 08/15] xdp_flow: Add flow handling and basic actions in bpf prog Toshiaki Makita
2019-10-18  4:07 ` [RFC PATCH v2 bpf-next 09/15] xdp_flow: Implement flow replacement/deletion logic in xdp_flow kmod Toshiaki Makita
2019-10-18  4:07 ` [RFC PATCH v2 bpf-next 10/15] xdp_flow: Add netdev feature for enabling flow offload to XDP Toshiaki Makita
2019-10-18  4:07 ` [RFC PATCH v2 bpf-next 11/15] xdp_flow: Implement redirect action Toshiaki Makita
2019-10-18  4:07 ` [RFC PATCH v2 bpf-next 12/15] xdp_flow: Implement vlan_push action Toshiaki Makita
2019-10-18  4:07 ` [RFC PATCH v2 bpf-next 13/15] bpf, selftest: Add test for xdp_flow Toshiaki Makita
2019-10-18  4:07 ` [RFC PATCH v2 bpf-next 14/15] i40e: prefetch xdp->data before running XDP prog Toshiaki Makita
2019-10-18  4:07 ` [RFC PATCH v2 bpf-next 15/15] bpf, hashtab: Compare keys in long Toshiaki Makita
2019-10-18 15:22 ` [RFC PATCH v2 bpf-next 00/15] xdp_flow: Flow offload to XDP John Fastabend
2019-10-21  7:31   ` Toshiaki Makita
2019-10-22 16:54     ` John Fastabend
2019-10-22 17:45       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-24  4:27         ` John Fastabend
2019-10-24 10:13           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-27 13:19             ` Toshiaki Makita [this message]
2019-10-27 15:21               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-28  3:16                 ` David Ahern
2019-10-28  8:36                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-28 10:08                     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2019-10-28 19:07                       ` David Ahern
2019-10-28 19:05                     ` David Ahern
2019-10-31  0:18                 ` Toshiaki Makita
2019-10-31 12:12                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-11-11  7:32                     ` Toshiaki Makita
2019-11-12 16:53                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-11-14 10:11                         ` Toshiaki Makita
2019-11-14 12:41                           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-11-18  6:41                             ` Toshiaki Makita
2019-11-18 10:20                               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-11-22  5:42                                 ` Toshiaki Makita
2019-11-22 11:54                                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-11-25 10:18                                     ` Toshiaki Makita
2019-11-25 13:03                                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-11-18 10:28                               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-27 13:13         ` Toshiaki Makita
2019-10-27 15:24           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-10-27 19:17             ` David Miller
2019-10-31  0:32               ` Toshiaki Makita
2019-11-12 17:50                 ` William Tu
2019-11-14 10:06                   ` Toshiaki Makita
2019-11-14 17:09                     ` William Tu
2019-11-15 13:16                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-11-12 17:38             ` William Tu
2019-10-23 14:11       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2019-10-24  4:38         ` John Fastabend
2019-10-24 17:05           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2019-10-27 13:27         ` Toshiaki Makita
2019-10-27 13:06       ` Toshiaki Makita
2019-10-21 11:23 ` Björn Töpel
2019-10-21 11:47   ` Toshiaki Makita

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=a7f3d86b-c83c-7b0d-c426-684b8dfe4344@gmail.com \
    --to=toshiaki.makita1@gmail.com \
    --cc=ast@kernel.org \
    --cc=bpf@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=daniel@iogearbox.net \
    --cc=davem@davemloft.net \
    --cc=fw@strlen.de \
    --cc=hawk@kernel.org \
    --cc=jakub.kicinski@netronome.com \
    --cc=jhs@mojatatu.com \
    --cc=jiri@resnulli.us \
    --cc=john.fastabend@gmail.com \
    --cc=kadlec@netfilter.org \
    --cc=kafai@fb.com \
    --cc=netdev@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=pablo@netfilter.org \
    --cc=pshelar@ovn.org \
    --cc=sdf@fomichev.me \
    --cc=songliubraving@fb.com \
    --cc=toke@redhat.com \
    --cc=u9012063@gmail.com \
    --cc=xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com \
    --cc=yhs@fb.com \
    --subject='Re: [RFC PATCH v2 bpf-next 00/15] xdp_flow: Flow offload to XDP' \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link

This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).