From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E162FC10DCE for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 16:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4BCC20658 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 16:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=toxicpanda-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@toxicpanda-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="Sa9/tVXX" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726299AbgCFQbt (ORCPT ); Fri, 6 Mar 2020 11:31:49 -0500 Received: from mail-qt1-f172.google.com ([209.85.160.172]:39005 "EHLO mail-qt1-f172.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726231AbgCFQbs (ORCPT ); Fri, 6 Mar 2020 11:31:48 -0500 Received: by mail-qt1-f172.google.com with SMTP id e13so2128955qts.6 for ; Fri, 06 Mar 2020 08:31:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=toxicpanda-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UUSOJf+zzacEOEP9td3eEtXJWkTaibOb7Kq1LOm7AIg=; b=Sa9/tVXXId0i+ZkGnCOQqMm/YwmWBR6mR5Ert555HnfoqDYeWAyStfmeKNig1vQ6lT JSU6LwefTLFnXO059CxcX5hoSrgXp3DK+ZvC8+0f2Ndb9Oh8zKuNn8QjdZ5YIBpwsN1A Y3b6owF+xPxDq3J2FpHKeYk4ACb7Z6VDzWTXGRU5cN+PRbM1SVWIOGaL2iDpJP0XNXG1 6r0Con0dYegUQQcNrLBwhemitVup6gffpqAolIUljsz710Bol1blQvCKg+k+eSNFdzHT u67YAxGd0FuG40KNnSbaPS/hNPtqCiccdXcDxhu9d4e9ozFh/hYCI31Uv9Qd0AalNCla E1JA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UUSOJf+zzacEOEP9td3eEtXJWkTaibOb7Kq1LOm7AIg=; b=YreBDgsMp0fVf4tvkTgr2H2HiV7/Tgxutl7DxGrROcZZiH0hTSi8eagCgomTixQdW3 cMNaj9zv2Ob2cdbrpOa4SeSYrmPoKVZPUwSSMQlY44eRp6KFnp75wYSvbHEPIhaKls/T omW4PQi0RyNOayWcTRcnkxvo3cNp+iQmqBddTCv4RUbaAYjUDjREskxSekPWFnccCdY+ LMnL4JKBdp0c4tLB5lDvKQAgRLDSu6MW58rV8OPkTlYitjuCztK5V2kEcYcCIYzkE+SA +Q6jj9nW61edFJOH2BYPq3+mjiJGA/jktWeeBQyDdI1u6+tQ1msFs5co25U+EJNijy5q lYvg== X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ1kdNsnlPaY6Ia1AXvoEjR5WQbVe/JlqRs6kBu0Znb3nQgTAmvd dooTOgSZszmsYk9Np9XoCBM7Bw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vvDeMAzUoSiB4u1rD7bbt/71U5nIFGqZVf2AiNnhdP0rj/eFgB6XllAkXoq6eYBnOKu7Yp1Gg== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:3027:: with SMTP id f36mr3638204qte.76.1583512307131; Fri, 06 Mar 2020 08:31:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.106] ([107.15.81.208]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 17sm995481qkm.105.2020.03.06.08.31.45 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 06 Mar 2020 08:31:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [LSFMMBPF TOPIC] Killing LSFMMBPF To: Christian Brauner , James Bottomley Cc: lsf-pc , Linux FS Devel , linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, Btrfs BTRFS , bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org References: <1583511310.3653.33.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20200306162858.zy6u3tvutxvf27yw@wittgenstein> From: Josef Bacik Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 11:31:45 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200306162858.zy6u3tvutxvf27yw@wittgenstein> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: bpf-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: bpf@vger.kernel.org On 3/6/20 11:28 AM, Christian Brauner wrote: > On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 08:15:10AM -0800, James Bottomley wrote: >> On Fri, 2020-03-06 at 09:35 -0500, Josef Bacik wrote: >>> Many people have suggested this elsewhere, but I think we really need >>> to seriously consider it. Most of us all go to the Linux Plumbers >>> conference. We could accomplish our main goals with Plumbers without >>> having to deal with all of the above problems. >> >> [I'm on the Plumbers PC, but not speaking for them, just making general >> observations based on my long history helping to run Plumbers] >> >> Plumbers has basically reached the size where we can't realistically >> expand without moving to the bigger venues and changing our evening >> events ... it's already been a huge struggle in Lisbon and Halifax >> trying to find a Restaurant big enough for the closing party. >> >> The other reason for struggling to keep Plumbers around 500 is that the >> value of simply running into people and having an accidental hallway >> track, which is seen as a huge benefit of plumbers, starts diminishing. >> In fact, having a working hallway starts to become a problem as well >> as we go up in numbers (plus in that survey we keep sending out those >> who reply don't want plumbers to grow too much in size). >> >> The other problem is content: you're a 3 day 4 track event and we're a >> 3 day 6 track event. We get enough schedule angst from 6 tracks ... 10 >> would likely become hugely difficult. If we move to 5 days, we'd have >> to shove the Maintainer Summit on the Weekend (you can explain that one >> to Linus) but we'd still be in danger of the day 4 burn out people used >> to complain about when OLS and KS were co-located. >> >> So, before you suggest Plumbers as the magic answer consider that the >> problems you cite below don't magically go away, they just become >> someone else's headache. >> >> That's not to say this isn't a good idea, it's just to execute it we'd >> have to transform Plumbers and we should have a community conversation >> about that involving the current Plumbers PC before deciding it's the >> best option. > > It's unlikely that this could still be done given that we're also facing > a little uncertainty for Plumbers. It seems like a lot of additional > syncing would be needed. > But the main concern I have is that co-locating both is probably quite > challenging for anyone attending both especially when organizing > something like a microconference. > Yeah I want to be clear I'm not talking about this years conference, I'm talking about future conferences and if/how we want to make changes. I picked plumbers because by-in-large the overlap between plumbers attendance and LSFMMBPF attendance is pretty large, but obviously it doesn't have to be just that. Ted and others have suggested having a larger more inclusive conference opposite of plumbers, which I think is a really cool idea. Thanks, Josef