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From: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
To: Sam James <sam@gentoo.org>
Cc: Richard Biener <richard.guenther@gmail.com>,
	 gcc@gcc.gnu.org, c-std-porting@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: More C type errors by default for GCC 14
Date: Tue, 09 May 2023 19:35:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fs854dc9.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h6sljurv.fsf@gentoo.org> (Sam James's message of "Tue, 09 May 2023 18:07:16 +0100")

* Sam James:

> Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com> writes:
>
>> * Richard Biener:
>>
>>>> Am 09.05.2023 um 14:16 schrieb Florian Weimer via Gcc <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>:
>>>> 
>>>> TL;DR: This message is about turning implicit-int,
>>>> implicit-function-declaration, and possibly int-conversion into errors
>>>> for GCC 14.
>>>
>>> I suppose the goal is to not need to rely on altering CFLAGS but
>>> change the default behavior with still being able to undo this using
>>> -Wno-error= or -Wno-?
>>
>> That's what Clang does (and the defaults chang along with -std=
>> settings). To me, -Werror by default for some warnings seems rather
>> hackish.  But that's just my personal preference, I do not have a strong
>> objection to doing it that way.
>
> Not that we have to follow Clang, but deviating by adding -fpermissive
> (which is a GCC-only flag) for C may not be desirable, and following
> Clang would let people use the same method for silencing known-bad
> codebases for now.

I think Clang already accepts -fpermissive, so it's not *too* bad?
(Presumably it just ignores it.)

>> One downside with -Wno- is that some developers jump on this rather
>> quickly instead of fixing the real problem.  So far, I've seen this in
>> both Chromium and the kernel, in fringe areas admittedly, but still.
>> The advantage is that there is a familiar workaround to get things
>> compiling quickly again, of course.
>
> I've not seen very much of this so far, FWIW. Only for the more annoying
> C23 warnings which have well-documented problems (and unrelated to this,
> so I won't go on about it anymore).

I think this could be a side effect of our different testing strategies.
The kernel -Wno-implicit-function-declaration change looks like it was
specifically added to build with Clang 15/16.

> But -fpermissive does have a nice property in that it's immediately
> obvious you're doing something *terrible* if you use it.

Right.

> In addition to this, this made me realise something similar to what
> Florian was saying wrt whitespace. Passing -Wno-error=... doesn't
> always work with some poorly-written build scripts because they split
> on '=' (this happens with some CMake when poorly written).

Hmm, maybe I've seen this as well but attributed it to whitespace.
The -std=gnu89 approach would run into problems with this, too.

Thanks,
Florian


  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-09 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-09 12:15 More C type errors by default for GCC 14 Florian Weimer
2023-05-09 15:16 ` Richard Biener
2023-05-09 16:05   ` Jakub Jelinek
2023-05-09 16:11     ` Sam James
2023-05-09 16:59   ` Florian Weimer
2023-05-09 17:07     ` Sam James
2023-05-09 17:35       ` Florian Weimer [this message]
     [not found] ` <CAGWvnykoEtT0BQtuN70DN6tWohtf=Mm7SW55psZvVmj3OvKUEg@mail.gmail.com>
2023-05-09 15:07   ` Sam James
2023-05-09 15:14   ` Jonathan Wakely
     [not found]     ` <20230509102201.6aa2a7d14fdb2f1e7abff449@killthe.net>
     [not found]       ` <87r0rp5uf8.fsf@aarsen.me>
     [not found]         ` <83ttwla1ep.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]           ` <CAH6eHdS-7USHzX3rPJaR66sEdjG+-nHp7mDb0gD7ceBnp+Fmpg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]             ` <83lehx9vix.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]               ` <ZFqZ25xKm4w4IkqF@tucnak>
     [not found]                 ` <83fs859unu.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]                   ` <CAGWvny=xi++Ghyo2Ez5MJdYy5h3yH16gVpviKC99Ufu_bUmdYQ@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                     ` <CAH6eHdRAVwBcCmBgiuPyQNWGx3x33diAgQU8UG3s_NrJxK3ucQ@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                       ` <CAGWvnyk_MkQOrNNh1C=ubPj8qzg5x-p8CBfgWNqqtDVJ1mbhMg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                         ` <CAF9ehCWsq-N9+U1+mTQahKT7cXEqLTptLb=b3Yq58gsWFEnxgA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                           ` <CAH6eHdS_sQ37VTpJHL7cqtgSdCSL3i4=tqMoY65wep9G56cf5g@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                             ` <CAMfHzOsR=gY6QTss2R029Q-uMOTpC-RDV09bEF2FO7x5jpy5gg@mail.gmail.com>
2023-05-10 10:45                               ` Sam James
2023-05-10 10:56                                 ` Neal Gompa
2023-05-10 12:06                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-10 12:10                                     ` Neal Gompa
2023-05-10 12:41                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-09 18:22   ` Florian Weimer
2023-05-11 21:32     ` Segher Boessenkool
2023-05-12  9:33 ` Martin Jambor
2023-05-12 12:30   ` Jakub Jelinek
2023-05-15 12:46     ` Michael Matz
2023-05-15 13:14     ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
     [not found] <CAGWvnynMpa83AduLhRhf1PxkVujngDmmwE7Z4vk1z6+UqqAuKA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <BBE9950C-28AA-4A1C-A4C5-7F486538004E@gmail.com>
2023-05-09 16:44   ` Florian Weimer
2023-05-09 16:58     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2023-05-09 17:08     ` Jason Merrill
2023-05-09 17:16       ` Sam James

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