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From: Jonathan Wakely <jwakely.gcc@gmail.com>
To: David Edelsohn <dje.gcc@gmail.com>
Cc: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	gcc@gcc.gnu.org, c-std-porting@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: More C type errors by default for GCC 14
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 16:14:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAH6eHdS5=AED+7MSe0prr8CZ-sYqnD159OjhTp9=R-a0aBZ3qw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGWvnykoEtT0BQtuN70DN6tWohtf=Mm7SW55psZvVmj3OvKUEg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 9 May 2023 at 16:04, David Edelsohn via Gcc <gcc@gcc.gnu.org> wrote:
> Yes, GCC has two, distinct user groups / use cases, but GCC also has a very
> unique and crucial role, as the foundation for a large portion of the
> GNU/Linux and FOSS software ecosystem.  This proposal is missing a
> motivation for this change, especially making new errors the default.
>
> GCC needs to be proactive, not reactive, without annoying and frustrating
> its user base.  Clang has been making some aggressive changes in warnings,
> but its constituency expects that.  Developers who want that experience
> already will use Clang, so why annoy developers who prefer the GCC
> experience and behavior?  The new warnings and errors help some developers
> and improve software security, but also drive some developers away, or at
> least cause them to reass their choice of toolchain.
>
> Maybe we need additional front-end aliases "gcclang" and "gcclang++" for
> GCC to provide an experience more like Clang for those who desire that.
> GCC isn't Clang and I fear that GCC is going down a path that annoys and
> frustrates both user groups -- it's not sufficiently aggressive for those
> who prefer Clang and it's too aggressive for those who wish backward
> compatibility.

This isn't "be like Clang", this is "diagnose things that have been
invalid C since 1999".

Accepting invalid code by default is a disservice to users. Those who
need to compile invalid C code can use an extra option to allow it,
the default should be to tell users their code is doing something bad.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-05-09 15:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-09 12:15 More C type errors by default for GCC 14 Florian Weimer
2023-05-09 15:16 ` Richard Biener
2023-05-09 16:05   ` Jakub Jelinek
2023-05-09 16:11     ` Sam James
2023-05-09 16:59   ` Florian Weimer
2023-05-09 17:07     ` Sam James
2023-05-09 17:35       ` Florian Weimer
     [not found] ` <CAGWvnykoEtT0BQtuN70DN6tWohtf=Mm7SW55psZvVmj3OvKUEg@mail.gmail.com>
2023-05-09 15:07   ` Sam James
2023-05-09 15:14   ` Jonathan Wakely [this message]
     [not found]     ` <20230509102201.6aa2a7d14fdb2f1e7abff449@killthe.net>
     [not found]       ` <87r0rp5uf8.fsf@aarsen.me>
     [not found]         ` <83ttwla1ep.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]           ` <CAH6eHdS-7USHzX3rPJaR66sEdjG+-nHp7mDb0gD7ceBnp+Fmpg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]             ` <83lehx9vix.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]               ` <ZFqZ25xKm4w4IkqF@tucnak>
     [not found]                 ` <83fs859unu.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]                   ` <CAGWvny=xi++Ghyo2Ez5MJdYy5h3yH16gVpviKC99Ufu_bUmdYQ@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                     ` <CAH6eHdRAVwBcCmBgiuPyQNWGx3x33diAgQU8UG3s_NrJxK3ucQ@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                       ` <CAGWvnyk_MkQOrNNh1C=ubPj8qzg5x-p8CBfgWNqqtDVJ1mbhMg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                         ` <CAF9ehCWsq-N9+U1+mTQahKT7cXEqLTptLb=b3Yq58gsWFEnxgA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                           ` <CAH6eHdS_sQ37VTpJHL7cqtgSdCSL3i4=tqMoY65wep9G56cf5g@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                             ` <CAMfHzOsR=gY6QTss2R029Q-uMOTpC-RDV09bEF2FO7x5jpy5gg@mail.gmail.com>
2023-05-10 10:45                               ` Sam James
2023-05-10 10:56                                 ` Neal Gompa
2023-05-10 12:06                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-10 12:10                                     ` Neal Gompa
2023-05-10 12:41                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-09 18:22   ` Florian Weimer
2023-05-11 21:32     ` Segher Boessenkool
2023-05-12  9:33 ` Martin Jambor
2023-05-12 12:30   ` Jakub Jelinek
2023-05-15 12:46     ` Michael Matz
2023-05-15 13:14     ` Richard Earnshaw (lists)
     [not found] <CAGWvnynMpa83AduLhRhf1PxkVujngDmmwE7Z4vk1z6+UqqAuKA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <BBE9950C-28AA-4A1C-A4C5-7F486538004E@gmail.com>
2023-05-09 16:44   ` Florian Weimer
2023-05-09 16:58     ` Ian Lance Taylor
2023-05-09 17:08     ` Jason Merrill
2023-05-09 17:16       ` Sam James

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