From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80658C433E0 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 01:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC9D64DF2 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 01:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S232409AbhBMBHY (ORCPT ); Fri, 12 Feb 2021 20:07:24 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:33198 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S232345AbhBMBHK (ORCPT ); Fri, 12 Feb 2021 20:07:10 -0500 Received: from mail-lj1-x233.google.com (mail-lj1-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::233]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC811C061223 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 17:06:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lj1-x233.google.com with SMTP id x1so1142735ljj.11 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 17:06:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linux-foundation.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=L6jTxP9hlbcUR9+3iPNQ9HmsqF25QNS6zvjTzXBH5E4=; b=WUNxTILAYi3Kk+wVUIaUVhIr3oaiaHaDjKr023ekUsCD6VQNr+/uPlhMEL6q29t3EB 7gNdhrTjI0bG4chV1tfJBSEWmnvTFlDxKHjMtcZld38+fszGfI/ow6zlOY5oPPFVrq11 U9kc9/PviiJUNwLPvQe5fwcbGhKWs2MNkDWS8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=L6jTxP9hlbcUR9+3iPNQ9HmsqF25QNS6zvjTzXBH5E4=; b=XYukFlq0GeHC2ApwhqNmfywW1NXq54rZp9m2K2jie218E8MUW+LYmGL6DFv6E0+C0H UXV8ZPAd1zGwjqfgLh2e+CYbQ87bTwEGQP8mwR1Cc9KbD0jcf36U5aN34iN8sueVhlOG 7RqL7iz2IryE3py4eKFLWX3RZRF/A/G/ZxepcL+Lq+33UPYJG51+SuteJ3oyPtLYohiC 4Nhh/yA5eFFYQ591i8N8B2YSIP5X9H9De1krFqtA3MZY+k6KBJonhqO17e2QfI2gmHMP DmlsruAv2clST0uQUrmtfOqhuOhJHKpQOWtlYUm6sVDEfAbcXZHcmOulyd7KgPgFfY98 Cuqg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532pZoXWdxbOUEYxVJjjP5pnudoGVNPlxzVo7cVmxwkxgLr9Pqk/ Le6Hi/2NP8MEsPifI+7wfz5CzuVePWD7Xg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyZCEbmTIRoFZTGB9iZPMmBG1TDPIOygkUt14iD2mIPAK4i5kELwoHPVQCK5ocV5lDo4/OI4g== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:7f04:: with SMTP id a4mr2949883ljd.3.1613178366167; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 17:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lj1-f169.google.com (mail-lj1-f169.google.com. [209.85.208.169]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v21sm1898278ljk.122.2021.02.12.17.06.04 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Feb 2021 17:06:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lj1-f169.google.com with SMTP id q14so1190917ljp.4 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 17:06:04 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8049:: with SMTP id p9mr3052102ljg.411.1613178363694; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 17:06:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <591237.1612886997@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <1330473.1612974547@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <1330751.1612974783@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <27816.1613085646@warthog.procyon.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <27816.1613085646@warthog.procyon.org.uk> From: Linus Torvalds Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 17:05:47 -0800 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] fscache: I/O API modernisation and netfs helper library To: David Howells Cc: Matthew Wilcox , Jeff Layton , David Wysochanski , Anna Schumaker , Trond Myklebust , Steve French , Dominique Martinet , Alexander Viro , ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org, linux-afs@lists.infradead.org, linux-cachefs@redhat.com, CIFS , linux-fsdevel , "open list:NFS, SUNRPC, AND..." , v9fs-developer@lists.sourceforge.net, Linux Kernel Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 3:21 PM David Howells wrote: > > Most of the development discussion took place on IRC and waving snippets of > code about in pastebin rather than email - the latency of email is just too > high. There's not a great deal I can do about that now as I haven't kept IRC > logs. I can do that in future if you want. No, I really don't. IRC is fine for discussing ideas about how to solve things. But no, it's not a replacement for actual code review after the fact. If you think email has too long latency for review, and can't use public mailing lists and cc the people who are maintainers, then I simply don't want your patches. You need to fix your development model. This whole "I need to get feedback from whoever still uses irc and is active RIGHT NOW" is not a valid model. It's fine for brainstorming for possible approaches, and getting ideas, sure. Linus