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From: akihiro27.suzuki@toshiba.co.jp (akihiro27.suzuki at toshiba.co.jp)
To: cip-dev@lists.cip-project.org
Subject: [cip-dev] CIP IRC weekly meeting today
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 02:48:48 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <TYAPR01MB24950C688973FA3F22D72E67D9550@TYAPR01MB2495.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190329132156.5nbwt5niagahvoxm@MD1ZFJVC.ad001.siemens.net>

Hi Christian,

> This is because SWUpdate is designed around a multi-process model with
> IPC among the processes via sockets. This has, as one example, the
> benefit that one can run the multiple components of SWUpdate with
> different privileges. Apart from this, there's a clean interface also
> imposed on the code structure which helps the modularization of the
> source code.
I understand. Thank you for the explanation.

> Ah, OK. This is the "official" in the sense of exemplary implemented way
> how to do round-robin A/B firmware update. That said, this is in my very
> personal opinion a bit too involved and spread out over too many places.
> That was also one reason I brought forward the Lua handler feature that
> allows you to implement a handler in Lua. Lua handlers are feature-wise
> on par with C handlers by now, i.e., they are equally powerful. So, you
> can write a Lua handler that does the target partition round-robin
> calculation, flashing, and updating of the bootloader environment in one
> place. The sw-description becomes simpler as well since you don't need
> to specify the A/B layout there but instead the Lua handler will take
> care of this.
That makes sense.
I thought that the A/B update way adopted by meta-swupdate-boards was
a little difficult to understand and not very flexible.
I would like to use Lua handler to implement the flexible A/B update
which can be used in various situations.

Best regards,
Suzuki

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cip-dev-bounces at lists.cip-project.org
> [mailto:cip-dev-bounces at lists.cip-project.org] On Behalf Of Christian
> Storm
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 10:22 PM
> To: cip-dev at lists.cip-project.org
> Subject: Re: [cip-dev] CIP IRC weekly meeting today
> 
> Hi Suzuki,
> 
> 
> > I'm sorry to bother you.
> 
> You're always welcome.
> 
> 
> > > Looks good as / is mounted ro. Question is whether this is done via
> a
> > > remount,ro or whether it's ro right from the start?
> > I didn't remount / with ro manually,
> > but I have found that /proc/cmdline of the booted BBB includes "rw"
> as follows:
> >
> >     root at beaglebone:~# cat /proc/cmdline
> >     console=ttyO0,115200n8 root=PARTUUID=770dcaeb-02 rw
> rootfstype=ext4 rootwait
> >
> > This is because "args_mmc" (the environment variable of u-boot) was
> not changed
> > even though I had built the rootfs with "read-only-rootfs" option in
> poky.
> > (Although "/" in /etc/fstab was changed from "rw" to "ro" by the option)
> >
> > The "args_mmc" was as follows:
> >
> >     args_mmc=run finduuid;setenv bootargs console=${console}
> ${optargs} root=PARTUUID=${uuid} rw rootfstype=${mmcrootfstype}
> >
> > When I changed "rw" on args_mmc to "ro" and booted the BBB, /proc/cmdline
> was changed as follows:
> >
> >     root at beaglebone:~# cat /proc/cmdline
> >     console=ttyO0,115200n8 root=PARTUUID=770dcaeb-02 ro
> rootfstype=ext4 rootwait
> >
> > Because of this, the rootfs came to able to be mounted with ro from
> the start.
> > Actually, I booted the BBB on several times,
> > and I checked that there were no changes in the partition.
> > Of course the binary delta update was successful with this
> configuration.
> > It seems for me that this issue has been resolved.
> > Thank you for your great help!
> 
> That sounds good! Glad I could help here.
> 
> 
> > BTW, I have found the cause of the ext4 error messages.
> > This is because "/run/utmp" and "/run/mount" were created
> > before "/" was remounted automatically with ro according to /etc/fstab
> in the boot process.
> > Their inodes were created but they were overwritten by zero by the binary
> delta update.
> > But the inode of /run, their parent directory, was not overwritten by
> the update,
> > and the dentries of "utmp" and "mount" remained inside the inode of
> /run.
> > So the ext4 error messages were shown.
> > Currently, "utmp" and "mount" are not created because I can boot the
> rootfs with "ro" from the start.
> > So this issue does not occur.
> 
> Sounds reasonable, good to have it sorted out.
> 
> 
> > > Well, how did you instruct SWUpdate to choose "copy1" or "copy2"?
> > Sorry for the lack of explanation.
> > I used the method adopted by meta-swupdate-boards.
> > The important file is the following startup script of swupdate.
> >
> <https://github.com/sbabic/meta-swupdate-boards/blob/master/recipes-
> support/swupdate/swupdate/beaglebone/swupdate>
> > The script checks the current rootfs partition and executes swupdate
> with "-e stable,copy{1|2}" as follows:
> >
> >     root at beaglebone:~# cat /etc/init.d/swupdate
> >     #! /bin/sh
> >     -------- (snip) --------
> >     DAEMON=/usr/bin/swupdate
> >     -------- (snip) --------
> >     rootfs=`mount | grep "on / type" | cut -d':' -f 2 | cut -d' ' -f
> 1`
> >
> >     if [ $rootfs == '/dev/mmcblk1p2' ];then
> >             selection="-e stable,copy2"
> >     else
> >             selection="-e stable,copy1"
> >     fi
> >     -------- (snip) --------
> >     exec $DAEMON -v -H beaglebone:1.0 ${selection} -f
> /etc/swupdate.cfg -u "$EXTRA_ARGS" -w "" &
> >     -------- (snip) --------
> >
> > If the BBB is booted from /dev/mmcblk1p2, swupdate is executed with
> "-e stable,copy2" as follows:
> >
> >     root at beaglebone:~# ps aux | grep swupdate
> >     root       500  0.0  0.2   1704  1164 ?        S    13:15
> 0:00 /usr/bin/swupdate-progress -w -p -r
> >     root       501  0.2  1.2  49456  6504 ?        Sl   13:15
> 0:00 /usr/bin/swupdate -v -H beaglebone 1.0 -e stable,copy2 -f
> /etc/swupdate.cfg -u  -w
> >     root       522  0.2  0.7  31016  3868 ?        Sl   13:15
> 0:00 /usr/bin/swupdate -v -H beaglebone 1.0 -e stable,copy2 -f
> /etc/swupdate.cfg -u  -w
> >     root       524  0.0  0.9  24200  4840 ?        S    13:15
> 0:00 /usr/bin/swupdate -v -H beaglebone 1.0 -e stable,copy2 -f
> /etc/swupdate.cfg -u  -w
> >     root       551  0.0  0.2   1884  1040 ttyO0    S+   13:19
> 0:00 grep swupdate
> >     (I'm not sure why /usr/bin/swupdate is running with 3 processes)
> 
> This is because SWUpdate is designed around a multi-process model with
> IPC among the processes via sockets. This has, as one example, the
> benefit that one can run the multiple components of SWUpdate with
> different privileges. Apart from this, there's a clean interface also
> imposed on the code structure which helps the modularization of the
> source code.
> 
> 
> > If you update now, the rule described in the "copy2" section in
> sw-description is used.
> > In the sw-description which was attached in my previous email,
> > the update target in the "copy2" section is /dev/mmcblk1p3.
> > Besides, bootcmd_legacy_mmc1 (the environment variable of u-boot)
> > is modified to use /dev/mmcblk1p3 as the next boot target.
> > If the BBB is booted from /dev/mmcblk1p3, the "copy1" section is used.
> > In the "copy1" section, the update and next boot target are
> /dev/mmcblk1p2.
> 
> Ah, OK. This is the "official" in the sense of exemplary implemented way
> how to do round-robin A/B firmware update. That said, this is in my very
> personal opinion a bit too involved and spread out over too many places.
> That was also one reason I brought forward the Lua handler feature that
> allows you to implement a handler in Lua. Lua handlers are feature-wise
> on par with C handlers by now, i.e., they are equally powerful. So, you
> can write a Lua handler that does the target partition round-robin
> calculation, flashing, and updating of the bootloader environment in one
> place. The sw-description becomes simpler as well since you don't need
> to specify the A/B layout there but instead the Lua handler will take
> care of this.
> 
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
>    Christian
> 
> --
> Dr. Christian Storm
> Siemens AG, Corporate Technology, CT RDA IOT SES-DE
> Otto-Hahn-Ring 6, 81739 M?nchen, Germany
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2019-03-14  1:55 [cip-dev] CIP IRC weekly meeting today SZ Lin (林上智)
2019-03-14  4:38 ` Nobuhiro Iwamatsu
2019-03-14  7:26 ` daniel.sangorrin at toshiba.co.jp
2019-03-14  9:19   ` Chris Paterson
2019-03-14  9:23   ` Patryk Mungai Ndungu
2019-03-15  9:24   ` Jan Kiszka
2019-03-15  9:48     ` akihiro27.suzuki at toshiba.co.jp
2019-03-15 10:50       ` Jan Kiszka
2019-03-18  1:42         ` akihiro27.suzuki at toshiba.co.jp
2019-03-18  9:05           ` [cip-dev] debootrap error (was: Re: CIP IRC weekly meeting today) Jan Kiszka
2019-03-18  9:11             ` Claudius Heine
2019-03-18  9:39               ` [cip-dev] debootrap error Jan Kiszka
2019-03-18 10:14                 ` akihiro27.suzuki at toshiba.co.jp
2019-03-18 10:17                   ` Claudius Heine
2019-03-18 10:18                     ` Jan Kiszka
2019-03-19  5:18                       ` akihiro27.suzuki at toshiba.co.jp
2019-03-19  7:22                         ` Claudius Heine
2019-03-19  7:51                           ` Jan Kiszka
2019-03-19  8:01                             ` Claudius Heine
2019-03-19  9:09                               ` Jan Kiszka
2019-03-19  9:26                                 ` Claudius Heine
2019-03-19  9:45                                   ` Jan Kiszka
2019-03-19 10:14                       ` Henning Schild
2019-03-19 10:27                         ` Jan Kiszka
2019-03-18  2:53         ` [cip-dev] CIP IRC weekly meeting today akihiro27.suzuki at toshiba.co.jp
2019-03-18  8:56           ` [cip-dev] debootstrap error (was: Re: CIP IRC weekly meeting today) Jan Kiszka
2019-03-18  8:59             ` akihiro27.suzuki at toshiba.co.jp
2019-03-18  8:42     ` [cip-dev] CIP IRC weekly meeting today Christian Storm
2019-03-18  9:14       ` akihiro27.suzuki at toshiba.co.jp
2019-03-18 10:27         ` Christian Storm
2019-03-22  5:01           ` akihiro27.suzuki at toshiba.co.jp
2019-03-22 12:37             ` Christian Storm
2019-03-27  8:25               ` akihiro27.suzuki at toshiba.co.jp
2019-03-29 13:21                 ` Christian Storm
2019-04-01  2:48                   ` akihiro27.suzuki at toshiba.co.jp [this message]
2019-04-01  6:48                     ` Christian Storm
2019-04-02  3:50                       ` akihiro27.suzuki at toshiba.co.jp
2019-04-02  6:45                         ` Christian Storm
2019-04-02  8:14                           ` akihiro27.suzuki at toshiba.co.jp
2019-04-26 10:34                           ` akihiro27.suzuki at toshiba.co.jp
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2018-12-06  5:41 ` Nobuhiro Iwamatsu
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2018-12-10 12:30     ` Nobuhiro Iwamatsu
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