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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
To: Greg Kroah-Hartman
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Cc: Linux Containers
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	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers-tD+1rO4QERM@public.gmane.org>,
	Stephane Graber
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	Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman"
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	lxc-devel
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	devel <devel-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Device Namespaces
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 08:37:19 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1380555439.2161.5.camel@dabdike.int.hansenpartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130926170757.GA9345-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, 2013-09-26 at 10:07 -0700, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 08:01:31PM +0300, Janne Karhunen wrote:
> > That being said, our wish would be to support any combination of
> > OS's and frankly, I'd be slightly annoyed to tell the customer that
> > they can't do two Androids or we magically run out of bits.
> 
> If you want to support "any" combination of operating systems, then use
> a hypervisor, that's what they are there for :)

No that's not quite the right way to think about it: The correct
statement is only use a hypervisor if you need different kernels.  With
Windows, it happens to be true that you need a different kernel for each
different OS version.  However; with Linux, thanks to strong ABI
backwards compatibility, you mostly don't.  The way OpenVZ works today
is that it installs a modified kernel which can then bring up every
Linux OS in a separate container.  Our use case is the hosters that give
you root login to a virtual private server and allow you to upgrade it
on your own.  The reason for using a container rather than a hypervisor
is the old density and elasticity one:  3x the density (i.e. 1/3 the
overhead cost to the hoster) and the boot only needs to start at init,
not bring up of virtual hardware and booting a second kernel.

James

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-09-30 15:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-22 17:43 RFC: Device Namespaces Oren Laadan
     [not found] ` <CAA4jN2aw4zEW=UfKCyqaOvXnbiRb_J9srfCn4OXTFzc6vWBM4A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-08-22 18:21   ` Serge Hallyn
2013-08-26 10:11     ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]       ` <CAA4jN2YL7Lfu2+DW-i+MovFxWEhJfT4aBBKREU_vy7JX9TKGHA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-06 17:50         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <8761udlu0d.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-08 12:28             ` Amir Goldstein
     [not found]               ` <CAA2m6vexArJ+6jFbK80Amstk=LK30=XDNHdBHSswP=LgpSP-6A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-09  0:51                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                   ` <871u4yddg4.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-10  7:09                     ` Amir Goldstein
     [not found]                       ` <CAA2m6vc_kWWGDWcdjk26N3YvTqZySLFxPQRjOD9_ypBOka2+GQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-25 11:05                         ` Janne Karhunen
     [not found]                           ` <CAE=NcrbyFFoMn2nfBA_=ZtwD=eGLvqK=L-U9MuGrtJFLZfZppw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-25 20:23                             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                               ` <87ioxo4pm5.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-25 21:17                                 ` [lxc-devel] " Jeremy Andrus
     [not found]                                   ` <AD5F7BD2-0166-46BD-AB14-463C0E88BC92-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-25 21:47                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                       ` <8738osr2ue.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-29 17:56                                         ` Amir Goldstein
2013-09-25 21:34                             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                               ` <87bo3gshz5.fsf_-_-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-26  5:33                                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]                                   ` <20130926053320.GB3725-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-26  8:25                                     ` Janne Karhunen
     [not found]                                       ` <CAE=NcrbPXGWU8FUgwchXyL5HjXf+4AKbgUWGe1ZO=Xcq=iV-Lg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-26 13:56                                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]                                           ` <20130926135604.GA16624-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-26 17:01                                             ` Janne Karhunen
     [not found]                                               ` <CAE=NcrY3xC1AF_GV2b1KsF7AwYZTuGBuKLS5yBUWoWcmKU4YBg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-26 17:07                                                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]                                                   ` <20130926170757.GA9345-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-26 17:56                                                     ` Janne Karhunen
2013-09-30 15:37                                                     ` James Bottomley [this message]
     [not found]                                                       ` <1380555439.2161.5.camel-sFMDBYUN5F8GjUHQrlYNx2Wm91YjaHnnhRte9Li2A+AAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-30 16:11                                                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]                                                           ` <20130930161117.GA26459-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-30 16:33                                                             ` James Bottomley
2013-10-01  6:19                                     ` Janne Karhunen
     [not found]                                       ` <CAE=NcrYV2RiMV7PcwEjFGFRBrz9XdZGs86Wau2a+6xpYN2aEHA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-01 17:27                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                           ` <CALCETrWWoHzuJcnfEUY+cFpOgT5gnG8U1cVbCW0_8V7Z_v6DJw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-01 17:53                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                               ` <20131001175345.GA4145-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-01 19:51                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                   ` <87had0wz07.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-01 20:46                                                     ` Serge Hallyn
2013-10-01 22:59                                                       ` [lxc-devel] " Michael H. Warfield
2013-10-02 22:55                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-01 20:57                                                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]                                                       ` <20131001205718.GA17036-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-02 22:45                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-01 22:19                                                     ` Michael H. Warfield
2013-10-01 18:36                                             ` Janne Karhunen
2013-10-01 17:33                                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]                                           ` <20131001173342.GA19267-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-01 18:23                                             ` Janne Karhunen
2013-10-28 23:31                                 ` Andrey Wagin
2013-08-29 19:06   ` RFC: " Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]     ` <521F9BBE.2070505-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-03 19:35       ` [lxc-devel] " Stéphane Graber
2013-09-29 19:28 Amir Goldstein
     [not found] ` <CAA2m6veny-7_ONMA973Wu36U4kz4gAuw0dpodkb8+GZDv6VNBQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-29 20:06   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
     [not found]     ` <20130929200620.GA31304-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-30 15:36       ` Michael H. Warfield
2013-10-03  0:44   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <87a9iri3ot.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-03  0:59       ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-10-03  8:58       ` Amir Goldstein
     [not found]         ` <CAA2m6vc3OFmS9VwiTavRzPqhn+qoe6vDCO2sitXpEQ8a1JVyfg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-03  9:17           ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-08  9:38 device namespaces Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2021-06-08 12:30 ` Christian Brauner
2021-06-08 12:41   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-06-08 14:10     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-06-08 14:29       ` Christian Brauner
2021-06-08 15:54         ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-06-08 17:16           ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-09  6:38             ` Christian Brauner
2021-06-09  7:02               ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-06-09  7:21                 ` Christian Brauner
2021-06-09  7:54                   ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-06-09  8:09                     ` Christian Brauner
2021-06-11 18:14                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-14  7:49                         ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2021-06-14  8:22                           ` Greg KH
2021-06-14 17:36                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-06-15 11:24                             ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2021-06-15 11:33                               ` Greg KH

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