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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com>
Cc: Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@intel.com>, Vinod Koul <vkoul@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	dmaengine@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] dmaengine: Store module owner in dma_device struct
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 13:01:09 -0800
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4gnvQsAen0DUW3o4Kv1WPW28Q00+mxBowUN8yMy6Kmgvw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dd40f8ff-62bb-648c-eb65-7e335cde6138@deltatee.com>

On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 12:56 PM Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 2019-11-22 1:50 p.m., Dan Williams wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 8:53 AM Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@intel.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/21/19 10:20 PM, Vinod Koul wrote:
> >>> On 14-11-19, 10:03, Logan Gunthorpe wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2019-11-13 9:55 p.m., Vinod Koul wrote:
> >>>>>> But that's the problem. We can't expect our users to be "nice" and not
> >>>>>> unbind when the driver is in use. Killing the kernel if the user
> >>>>>> unexpectedly unbinds is not acceptable.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And that is why we review the code and ensure this does not happen and
> >>>>> behaviour is as expected
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, but the current code can kill the kernel when the driver is unbound.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> I suspect this is less of an issue for most devices as they wouldn't
> >>>>>>>> normally be unbound while in use (for example there's really no reason
> >>>>>>>> to ever unbind IOAT seeing it's built into the system). Though, the fact
> >>>>>>>> is, the user could unbind these devices at anytime and we don't want to
> >>>>>>>> panic if they do.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There are many drivers which do modules so yes I am expecting unbind and
> >>>>>>> even a bind following that to work
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Except they will panic if they unbind while in use, so that's a
> >>>>>> questionable definition of "work".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> dmaengine core has module reference so while they are being used they
> >>>>> won't be removed (unless I complete misread the driver core behaviour)
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, as I mentioned in my other email, holding a module reference does
> >>>> not prevent the driver from being unbound. Any driver can be unbound by
> >>>> the user at any time without the module being removed.
> >>>
> >>> That sounds okay then.
> >>
> >> I'm actually glad Logan is putting some work in addressing this. I also
> >> ran into the same issue as well dealing with unbinds on my new driver.
> >
> > This was an original mistake of the dmaengine implementation that
> > Vinod inherited. Module pinning is distinct from preventing device
> > unbind which ultimately can't be prevented. Longer term I think we
> > need to audit dmaengine consumers to make sure they are prepared for
> > the driver to be removed similar to how other request based drivers
> > can gracefully return an error status when the device goes away rather
> > than crashing.
>
> Yes, but that will be a big project because there are a lot of drivers.

Oh yes, in fact I think it's something that can only reasonably be
considered for new consumers.

> But I think the dmaengine common code needs to support removal properly,
> which essentially means changing how all the drivers allocate and free
> their structures, among other things.
>
> The one saving grace is that most of the drivers are for SOCs which
> can't be physically removed and there's really no use-case for the user
> to call unbind.

Yes, the SOC case is not so much my concern as the generic offload use
cases, especially if those offloads are in a similar hotplug domain as
a cpu.

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Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-22 21:46 [PATCH 0/5] PLX Switch DMA Engine Driver Logan Gunthorpe
2019-10-22 21:46 ` [PATCH 1/5] dmaengine: Store module owner in dma_device struct Logan Gunthorpe
2019-11-09 17:18   ` Vinod Koul
2019-11-11 16:50     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-11-12  5:56       ` Vinod Koul
2019-11-12 16:45         ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-11-14  4:55           ` Vinod Koul
2019-11-14 17:03             ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-11-22  5:20               ` Vinod Koul
2019-11-22 16:53                 ` Dave Jiang
2019-11-22 20:50                   ` Dan Williams
2019-11-22 20:56                     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-11-22 21:01                       ` Dan Williams [this message]
2019-11-22 21:42                         ` Dave Jiang
2019-12-10  9:53                           ` Vinod Koul
2019-12-10 17:39                             ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-10-22 21:46 ` [PATCH 2/5] dmaengine: Call module_put() after device_free_chan_resources() Logan Gunthorpe
2019-10-22 21:46 ` [PATCH 3/5] dmaengine: plx-dma: Introduce PLX DMA engine PCI driver skeleton Logan Gunthorpe
2019-11-09 17:35   ` Vinod Koul
2019-11-11 17:50     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-11-12  6:09       ` Vinod Koul
2019-11-12 17:22         ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-10-22 21:46 ` [PATCH 4/5] dmaengine: plx-dma: Implement hardware initialization and cleanup Logan Gunthorpe
2019-10-22 21:46 ` [PATCH 5/5] dmaengine: plx-dma: Implement descriptor submission Logan Gunthorpe
2019-11-09 17:40   ` Vinod Koul
2019-11-11 18:11     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-12-16 19:01 [PATCH 0/5] Support hot-unbind in IOAT Logan Gunthorpe
2019-12-16 19:01 ` [PATCH 1/5] dmaengine: Store module owner in dma_device struct Logan Gunthorpe

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